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View Poll Results: What was the cause of cocaine traces in Egyptian mummies?
Direct trade between Egypt and the Americas? 1 4.17%
Indirect trade between Egypt and the Americas by other nations? 9 37.50%
The toxicology samples were contaminated? 14 58.33%
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Old November 5th, 2011, 09:57 AM   #11

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This has been looked at before and to date, there isn't one serious archaeolgist in the world that doesn't think that these scientist aren't 'out to lunch'. What should be noted, is that in a scholarly article, only a paragraph or two is devoted to these findings, no further studies have been conducted, and if you want to find the mummies to retest, you better send out a recon team. Also to date, only one toxicologist can find these sample traces in mummies, both in Egypt, the Sudan...Svetlana Balabanova. I take this to be somewhat conspicuous. While I would never accuse her of any purposeful wrong-doing, I have to chalk this up to misidentification, build-up of natural compounds found in the diet, and even fake mummies supplied for the museum trade.
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This has been looked at before and to date, there isn't one serious archaeolgist in the world that doesn't think that these scientist aren't 'out to lunch'. What should be noted, is that in a scholarly article, only a paragraph or two is devoted to these findings, no further studies have been conducted, and if you want to find the mummies to retest, you better send out a recon team. Also to date, only one toxicologist can find these sample traces in mummies, both in Egypt, the Sudan...Svetlana Balabanova. I take this to be somewhat conspicuous. While I would never accuse her of any purposeful wrong-doing, I have to chalk this up to misidentification, build-up of natural compounds found in the diet, and even fake mummies supplied for the museum trade.
I don't believe coke has been found in the Egyptian mummies, I think it is some kind of natural occurrence.
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This has been looked at before and to date, there isn't one serious archaeolgist in the world that doesn't think that these scientist aren't 'out to lunch'. What should be noted, is that in a scholarly article, only a paragraph or two is devoted to these findings, no further studies have been conducted, and if you want to find the mummies to retest, you better send out a recon team. Also to date, only one toxicologist can find these sample traces in mummies, both in Egypt, the Sudan...Svetlana Balabanova. I take this to be somewhat conspicuous. While I would never accuse her of any purposeful wrong-doing, I have to chalk this up to misidentification, build-up of natural compounds found in the diet, and even fake mummies supplied for the museum trade.
Fake mummies... Like Peruvian ones...
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Old November 6th, 2011, 01:08 AM   #14

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Interestingly back when Ramses II's mummy was sent to France for conservation and it's "state visit" back in the 70s, traces of tobacco leaves were found in the mummy's abdominal cavity. While post-excavation contamination cannot be ruled out given the mummy has been moved several times since it's discovery, it's interesting if a genuine ancient traces.
The discovery of an adult "tobacco bettle" (examples of which have also been found in Tutankhamun's tomb, at Armarna and at Akrotiri according to Wikipedia) in the mummy is also interesting. Interesting for a pest of the tobacco plant to be found in an area where tobacco shouldn't have been.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 01:23 AM   #15

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Well, these guys claim...

(Whoops, That's Cocoa, not Coca, but I will leave it anyways)

Cocoa

"Cocoa is grown principally in West Africa, Central and South America and Asia. In order of annual production size, the eight largest cocoa-producing countries at present are Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Indonesia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Brazil, Ecuador and Malaysia. These countries represent 90% of world production.
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So whether it is native to those lands or not is the only real question, right?


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I wouldn't be surprised if there were eradication efforts on behalf of governments somewhere in ancient histories. I mean if they were producing potent cocaine it would have been a real problem. Much in the same way Opium and Heroin are.


But what are the chances they could actually manufacturer it? So maybe it was popular tea?

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Even if a 'South American' plant was found in Egypt, it does not prove anything apart from a plant has been found. We do not know what plants have come and gone over thousands of years. It is a big jump to go from finding evidence of a plant to saying that the Egyptians and South Americans were trading or colonizing etc.
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We only got one study finding it, with one set of mummies. Sems to imply contamination.

However, there are plants in the area that leave similar traces to cocaine.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 01:42 AM   #18

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Yeah, I confused Coca with Cocoa.

I am not 100%, but Coca might be a plant that only grows in a certain altitude. Some say it grows it thrives in lower altitudes as well. I don't know.

Transnational Institute | Coca leaf: Myths and Reality

"However, coca is a relatively easy plant to grow. In the late 19th century, colonial powers replanted coca outside its natural habitat. There was significant coca cultivation on the island of Java (at the time part of the Dutch East-Indies, currently Indonesia) and Ceylon (Sri Lanka), as well as Formosa (at the time a Japanese protectorate, currently Taiwan). In the 1920s Java was the major producer of coca in the world."


So yeah, I agree, it's a really large jump in logic to assume that since it is popularly currently being mass produced in South America that there was trade with them in the Ancient world.

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This has been looked at before and to date, there isn't one serious archaeolgist in the world that doesn't think that these scientist aren't 'out to lunch'. What should be noted, is that in a scholarly article, only a paragraph or two is devoted to these findings, no further studies have been conducted, and if you want to find the mummies to retest, you better send out a recon team. Also to date, only one toxicologist can find these sample traces in mummies, both in Egypt, the Sudan...Svetlana Balabanova. I take this to be somewhat conspicuous. While I would never accuse her of any purposeful wrong-doing, I have to chalk this up to misidentification, build-up of natural compounds found in the diet, and even fake mummies supplied for the museum trade.
That's quite evil if you don't mind me saying.

But I agree a little bit, shouldn't they find the leaf in their diet? If it were ancient times, they probably would have been leaf chewers. Maybe?

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Old December 22nd, 2017, 07:38 AM   #19
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Hey, here is a nice article about this topic...
It really seems that Colombus were not the first guy who stepped on America...
Ancient Egyptians get nicotine and cocaine
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:03 PM   #20

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It takes two minutes of basic research to debunk this nonsense. The cocaine alkaloid that has been allegedly detected in Egyptian relics never existed until it was isolated by Friedrich Gaedcke in 1855, so obviously it was introduced to Egypt after this date. If there was any contact between Egypt and the Americas then one would expect to see evidence of the coca plant itself, not the extracted and processed chemical.

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