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November 3rd, 2011, 04:23 PM
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#31 | | Drinker of Tea
Joined: Dec 2010 From: California Posts: 2,278 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Guaporense Actually there wasn't any large scale arab migration during the dark ages.
In fact, the population of the Arab tribes wasn't large enough to cause ANY significant demographic change in the conquered territories. The numbers of the Arab invaders were around tends of thousands and they conquered territories of tens of millions, so in fact their impact on the genetics of the conquered population was insignificant.
. | I have a hard time believing this considering the amount of years that have passed from the actual migrations to modern day. You can see, most Egyptians, Libyans, Algerians, and Morrocans look very Arabic nowadays.
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November 3rd, 2011, 06:15 PM
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#32 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Oct 2011 From: The Atmosphere Posts: 292 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Louise C I think it was an amazing and fascinating civilisation. I am not sure what misconception you are thinking of. Most Egyptians were peasants, as in most pre-industrial societies. Life was about getting the crops in, putting food on the table, hoping that the Nile would flood etc. They produced some amazing art and architecture. They had many gods and goddesses. |
I'm glad someone represented the fallahin in their post, poor farming folk, abused, and yet, so pivotal to the success of all great nations, Egypt or otherwise.
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November 3rd, 2011, 06:57 PM
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#33 | | Scholar
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 592 |
I think they were a great and very interesting civilization, who contributed much to modern society. I like that most people had a relatively good lifestyle compared to other civilizations and have a very rich history of pharaohs, treasure, and mystery. They would be my third favorite behind Rome and Greece.
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November 3rd, 2011, 08:57 PM
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#34 | | l'esprit de l'escalier
Joined: Jan 2010 From: ♪♬ ♫♪♩ Posts: 12,174 |
Had there only been a small brooklet, watering off in the Mediterranean, things would have been different, but like the mighty Nile draws water from many sources, the unified Egypt had deep roots, stretching to the dawn of man, perhaps? For how long has man wandered along the muddy banks of this giant river?
The poor workers were being kept alive, and some of them had the meagre consolation of building their master's grave... They probably felt better off then the Assyrian, or the Sumerian, with their incessant warfare, and the uncertainties this brings. Any peasant would prefer the security of the Nile, with its annual floodings.
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Last edited by Zeno; November 3rd, 2011 at 09:05 PM.
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November 4th, 2011, 12:50 AM
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#35 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 19,934 |
The "Pure blood" Egyptians & Arabs is of course pure nonsense in genetic terms; the available archeogenetic & anthropometric data suggest that at least from the beginning of the Dynastic period onwards the populations was similar to its modern counterpart, i.e. in general terms intermediate between the Eurasian and the sub-Saharan clines (as it would be expected from its geographic position).
Kemet was one of the mother civilizations par excellance with Sumer, and the exact origin of many ancestral civilization traits is unclear and probably shared by both nations.
Kemet tended to be extremely conservative, but probably not as much as some sources tried to make us bekieve; after all, this civilization spared more than three millennia.
That the average daily life was not so bad relative to the contemporary standards was suggested by the repeated migrations (or at leasy attempts) from neighboring populations.
Kemet had traditionally an extremely stratified and hierarchical society; the condition of most of the population seems to have been more or less analogous to Medieval European serfdoom, free but with few rights. Slavery seems to have been a late developement (well attested since the XVIII Dynasty onwards) and always a low proportion of the population.
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November 4th, 2011, 07:10 AM
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#36 | | Citizen
Joined: Mar 2011 From: Barcelona Posts: 38 |
Egypt and Sumer surely did share many traits as Sylla points, although they emerged from a different older culture stratum.
I dont know much about Sumer but as for Egypt, it had its roots in a cultural continuum that spread in North Africa during the neolitization process and indeed, as anthopology showed some time ago, some of this older culture traits were still visible in some modern "primitive" societes in north africa.
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November 4th, 2011, 07:31 AM
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#37 | | Historian
Joined: Nov 2009 From: Nebraska Posts: 3,469 | Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalGovnaWatts I have a hard time believing this considering the amount of years that have passed from the actual migrations to modern day. You can see, most Egyptians, Libyans, Algerians, and Morrocans look very Arabic nowadays. | That is false.
As an Iraqi, for example, I can tell Egyptians from Iraqis by looks. I could tell Iraqis from Saudis by looks. Only Iranians and Iraqis are really hard to tell.
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