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January 17th, 2012, 07:13 AM
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#1 | | Historian
Joined: Jun 2011 From: Place where French and British Fought and the French won Posts: 1,396 | Ethnicity of The Indus Valley Civilization
What is the ethnicity of the Indus Valley people? Are there any detailed DNA analysis research results out there in Internet or any book concerning this subject?
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January 17th, 2012, 07:44 AM
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#2 | | Historian
Joined: Sep 2011 From: Jelgava, Latvia Posts: 1,325 |
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January 17th, 2012, 11:17 AM
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#3 | | Historian
Joined: May 2011 From: UK Posts: 1,717 |
Not sure but an often heard theory is that the Brahui people, the only dravidian speaking people in Pakistan are their descendents. How far we should believe this i am not sure because a Brahui is virtually indistinguishable from a Balochi. Maybe its just the Brahui always looked the way they do and the Balochi settled amongst them and the two groups mixed to become today indistinguishable. That is what i think this link is suggesting. Brahui are something old, not new | Harappa Ancestry Project
"The civilization was literate, and its script, with some 250 to 500 characters, has been partly and tentatively deciphered; the language has been indefinitely identified as Dravidian." http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...s-civilization | |
Last edited by Shaheen; January 17th, 2012 at 11:24 AM.
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March 16th, 2012, 03:25 AM
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#4 | | Citizen
Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 12 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaheen  Not sure but an often heard theory is that the Brahui people, the only dravidian speaking people in Pakistan are their descendents. How far we should believe this i am not sure because a Brahui is virtually indistinguishable from a Balochi. Maybe its just the Brahui always looked the way they do and the Balochi settled amongst them and the two groups mixed to become today indistinguishable. That is what i think this link is suggesting. Brahui are something old, not new | Harappa Ancestry Project
"The civilization was literate, and its script, with some 250 to 500 characters, has been partly and tentatively deciphered; the language has been indefinitely identified as Dravidian." http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...s-civilization | They are Meluhhans (Mlecchas). Details in 800 page book: Indian Hieroglyphs - Invention of Writing Amazon.com: Indian hieroglyphs: Invention of writing (9780982897126): S Kalyanaraman: Books | | | |
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March 16th, 2012, 03:46 AM
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#5 | | Historian
Joined: Dec 2011 From: Scandinavia, Balkans, Anatolia & Levant Posts: 2,557 |
I am not very aware of DNA tests in that region, however I guess we cannot talk about ethnicity since we have no idea of the concept in that area and in that period of time. We can only talk about genetic relation with other people later on. I wonder if the Elamites were related to the IVC.
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March 16th, 2012, 09:57 AM
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#6 | | Panther Rider
Joined: Nov 2010 From: 3rd rock from Sol Posts: 4,178 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Roach Indian? | Yes....I am very interested in the ' American' ethnicity!  | | | |
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March 16th, 2012, 10:02 AM
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#7 | | Historian
Joined: May 2011 From: UK Posts: 1,717 | Quote:
Originally Posted by kalyan97 | Wasnt pretty much the whole area today comprising of Pakistan considered to be occupied by Mleechas? In other words their descendents, the Punjabis and Sindhis would be the most likely descendents of the Indus people...
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March 16th, 2012, 10:18 AM
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#8 | | Panther Rider
Joined: Nov 2010 From: 3rd rock from Sol Posts: 4,178 |
First of all, I don't think the descendants of IVF would remain as a small ethnic group after 4000 years.
Second of all, why link IVF with Dravidian people? There is no connection except some wild theories by Victorian era historians.
Third of all, Pakistan was India half a century back, and it was in the Indian cultural system in the IVF too. Also 'mleccha' concept did not exist in IVF times. It existed only in later times and never contained Pakistanis, considering the fact that Gandhara(Qandar) was not mleccha.
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March 16th, 2012, 11:06 PM
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#9 | | Historian
Joined: Jun 2011 From: Place where French and British Fought and the French won Posts: 1,396 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaheen Wasnt pretty much the whole area today comprising of Pakistan considered to be occupied by Mleechas? In other words their descendents, the Punjabis and Sindhis would be the most likely descendents of the Indus people... | The present day Punjabi and sindhi can not be the descendants of IVC because the punjabi and the sindhis have Caucasian features predominantly. The IVC and Dravidian relation sounds sensible
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March 16th, 2012, 11:26 PM
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#10 | | Panther Rider
Joined: Nov 2010 From: 3rd rock from Sol Posts: 4,178 |
Sorry I meant IVC before, not IVF!
Also, what's your proof that IVC people were 'Dravidians'?
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