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Old April 6th, 2012, 10:32 PM   #11

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Some of these might make an emperor great:
-Military victories
-popularity
-expansion of the Empire
-financial skills (some of them had it)
using those four criteria my simple answer to the OP would be: yes
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Old April 6th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #12

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We've had several threads on this over the last few months.

Nevertheless, here's my take. Augustus was indeed the greatest Roman emperor as he had the most difficult job of all, which was establishing the principate. He had to establish an autocracy but at the same time, he needed to camouflage his own power behind a republican facade, and this is precisely why all the titles he bestowed upon himself were republican ones. He needed to avoid the mistake that Caesar did, of not trying to hide the fact that he was essentially a military dictator and he managed that brilliantly. His diplomatic and organizational genius was also second to none.

Other emperors did not have to take care of such a problem as Augustus had after Actium. ..
I know west churches haven't liked Constantine, but Constantine had to face at least the same difficulties in restoring the empire, giving a new simbol, by the new capital, when Rome fallen in desuetitude, facing heavy wars, imposing a new religion when the Augustus Emperor-God religgion fallen, etc
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Old April 7th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #13

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(maybe in Appian' Warfare History) Octavian was a burden or a own goal to his legions. He is no more than a ordinary humble man in military insight, shortcoming of which have beens said to be supplemented by Agrippa. Besides that, he opened up Fax Romana for his people.
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My cents on this subject....

The word 'emperor' is ours, not theirs. It derives from the latin imperator, the name for the commander-in-chief of all armed forces, or rather, the privilege to command them. To be absolutely correct Augustus was Princeps, or 'First Citizen'. I know that was a bit of spin really to avoid getting assassinated, but then Augustus was nominated as Caesar.

That's the important point. Augustus (The Revered One) was named in terms of his status in comparison to Julius Caesar. Augustus was in roman eyes the 'new caesar', which is why the successive rulers of Ro,me also took that title. So in fact, Augustus was being compared to Julius Caesar directly as his living replacement - favourably as it happens compared to some who came afterward, but then always in Caesars shadow as it were.

Although Julius Caesar was not emperor by our definition, he was in real terms on equal par having been awarded the office of Dictator for life. It was for that reason that Suetonius includes him as the first in his history of the Caesars.
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He may or may not have been the Eternal City's greatest emperor, but how about a nod as historum's greatest member?...

Oh I see...it's going to be like that is it? Okay then, a pax, ehh, a pox on you!

I never!



p.s. Consider this: As Augustus himself so boldy asserted, he found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble. Still, my favorite emperor -- "great" is too broad a term; too loosely interpreted -- would be Marcus Aurelius; the only accomplished philosopher of the bunch. No Plato or Nietzsche, to be sure, but still, overall a thoughtful man, one who reflected on his/life's actions and their consequences.
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He may or may not have been the Eternal City's greatest emperor, but how about a nod as historum's greatest member?...

Oh I see...it's going to be like that is it? Okay then, a pax, ehh, a pox on you!

I never!
cheap enough!
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cheap enough!
Umm..does this mean I can count on you at the ballot box for next year's "Member of the Year"? If so, eyeball your box for a "the check's in the mail" pm; I swear I'll make good on it! (Just don't, ehh, cash it till the election's over, okay?)
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Umm..does this mean I can count on you at the ballot box for next year's "Member of the Year"? If so, eyeball your box for a "the check's in the mail" pm; I swear I'll make good on it! (Just don't, ehh, cash it till the election's over, okay?)
Could I choose to ignore you?
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Could I choose to ignore you?
You know how to do it, wet blanket; have at it. (And if you don't, I'll pm you the directions, no charge...)
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well, I'll choose to drink a glass or two too... in this desert of ideeas, thirst is a neccesitycheers!
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