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May 8th, 2012, 12:38 AM
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#11 | | Chameleon
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Would be interesting if that were the case.I guess its not impossible,but its also a bit hard to accept completely on the basis of what little we do know.
However,there is a surprising abudance of folklore and legend about Alexander in India.Like the case with the Jews,he seems to be one of the few foreign invaders/would-be invaders who many Indians grudgingly admire (when they are not making political propaganda of his defeat at Hydaspes).
And Parashuraman is correct.Other most common names in the Near/Middle East for Alexander are Iskandar and Eskandar.
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May 8th, 2012, 02:32 AM
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#12 | | Just me
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Originally Posted by okamido So if Skanda is Alexander, the combination makes sense. | The word 'skanda' in Sanskrit means 'spurting' or 'flowing'. Skanda was also one of the names of Lord Shiva's son Kartikeya. Quote: |
The Skanda Purana is the largest Mahapurana, a genre of eighteen Hindu religious texts.[1] The text is devoted mainly to the lilas of Kartikeya, a son of Shiva and Parvati. It also contains a number of legends about Shiva, and the holy places associated with him.
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Skanda, a born General, represented the acme of valour. So much so that Lord Krishna declared in the Gita- ``Senaninam Aham Skandah" (amongst generals, I am Skanda)...
...Muruga, as Skanda is popularly known in South India, is known in ancient literature as Seyon, the God with the Red complexion and as the God of the hill tribes. But myth and mythology aside, seers, sages and savants dwell extensively on the esoteric significance of this unique manifestation.
| The Hindu : Skanda - unique manifestation
I don't think Skanda has anything to do with Alexander.
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May 8th, 2012, 04:10 AM
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#13 | | Historian
Joined: May 2011 From: UK Posts: 1,717 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Alcibiades Would be interesting if that were the case.I guess its not impossible,but its also a bit hard to accept completely on the basis of what little we do know.
However,there is a surprising abudance of folklore and legend about Alexander in India.Like the case with the Jews,he seems to be one of the few foreign invaders/would-be invaders who many Indians grudgingly admire (when they are not making political propaganda of his defeat at Hydaspes).
And Parashuraman is correct.Other most common names in the Near/Middle East for Alexander are Iskandar and Eskandar. | In Pakistan we remember him as Iskander e Azam (Alexander the Great) and were taught to admire him back at school due to his treatment of Porus after Hydaspes. There has also been some talk of building a monument in Jhelum to commemorat the event. The Janjua Rajputs who have a major presence in that region are said to be descendents of Porus and have martial traditions which is why the British heavily employed them in their army. Amir Khan, the British boxer is also Janjua.
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May 8th, 2012, 11:20 AM
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#14 | | ...
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Originally Posted by Rosi | In the link I gave in post 9, it is supposed to be a bastardization of (I)skanda(r), rather than the sanskrit word. That was why I was curious if there was any validity to it.
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May 8th, 2012, 12:14 PM
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#15 | | Just me
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades However,there is a surprising abudance of folklore and legend about Alexander in India.Like the case with the Jews,he seems to be one of the few foreign invaders/would-be invaders who many Indians grudgingly admire (when they are not making political propaganda of his defeat at Hydaspes). | To be slightly pedantic, modern-day Pakistan would be more accurate.  He doesn't figure in the public conscious of India as we know it today, he is given hardly any coverage in Indian history text books.
The first time I ever heard of Alexander having come to India was in the context of the movie Alexander (starring that Irish chap).  I had heard of Seleucus though but that was only cos I'd seen an Indian drama series based on Chandragupta Maurya. Quote:
Originally Posted by okamido In the link I gave in post 9, it is supposed to be a bastardization of (I)skanda(r), rather than the sanskrit word. That was why I was curious if there was any validity to it. | As Parshuraman alluded to earlier, that site seems dubious.
AFAIK Alexander is known as Sikander in India but that's the name that came over from Central Asia, I guess. I don't know what the Indians of the time referred to him as.
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May 8th, 2012, 12:15 PM
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#16 | | ...
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Originally Posted by Rosi
As Parshuraman alluded to earlier, that site seems dubious.
And AFAIK Alexander is known as Sikander in India but that's the name that came over from Central Asia, I guess. I don't know what the Indians of the time referred to him as. | So the premise is just to speculative? I figured as much but it was interesting enough to ask around. | | |
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May 8th, 2012, 12:16 PM
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#17 | | Just me
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Originally Posted by okamido So the premise is just to speculative? I figured as much but it was interesting enough to ask around.  | I think it's a bit too far-fetched, yes. | | |
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May 8th, 2012, 12:34 PM
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#18 | | Chameleon
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Originally Posted by Rosi To be slightly pedantic, modern-day Pakistan would be more accurate.  He doesn't figure in the public conscious of India as we know it today, he is given hardly any coverage in Indian history text books. | Yes,I think you are right,Rosie.  I saw my mistake after I wrote that post.Its common mistake for westerners,to confuse some aspects of Pakistan and India,I guess. Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosi AFAIK Alexander is known as Sikander in India but that's the name that came over from Central Asia, I guess. I don't know what the Indians of the time referred to him as. | Again,I believe you are correct here,too.
I have always wondered why all the regions conquered by Alexander (and modern day countries living in them),have all adopted different names for Alex,rather than simply Alexander.I'm fairly certain it all started because Persians could not easily pronounce "Alexander",and so they adopted the form that was much easier for them, "Iskandar".However,why all the other Middle Eastern languages/nations have done the same?Do they too have difficulty saying "Alexander"?I think it is more likely they taught,starting with Medieval Arabs,that that was actually his real name,and so (again) changed it to suit their linguistic requirments.
I believe that's how the "Sikander" form got into India,through Arabs,during their conquests.They have changed from "Iskandar" to "Sikandar".
Of course,I could be completely wrong about all this. | | |
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May 8th, 2012, 12:50 PM
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#19 | | Historian
Joined: May 2011 From: UK Posts: 1,717 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Alcibiades
I have always wondered why all the regions conquered by Alexander (and modern day countries living in them),have all adopted different names for Alex,rather than simply Alexander.I'm fairly certain it all started because Persians could not easily pronounce "Alexander",and so they adopted the form that was much easier for them, "Iskandar".However,why all the other Middle Eastern languages/nations have done the same?Do they too have difficulty saying "Alexander"?I think it is more likely they taught,starting with Medieval Arabs,that that was actually his real name,and so (again) changed it to suit their linguistic requirments. | Persian had a big influence on the Islamic world and was the language of the learned. Like Latin was in the west. Thus other languages of the region just adopted their name for Alexander. Quote:
Originally Posted by Alcibiades I believe that's how the "Sikander" form got into India,through Arabs,during their conquests.They have changed from "Iskandar" to "Sikandar".
Of course,I could be completely wrong about all this.  | Arabs did not really conquer "India". They conquered Sindh but most of Islamic invasions were done by central asian Persianized Turks. As for the variants Sikander/Iskander both of them are understood to be the same name, atleast in Pakistan. Our first president was called Iskander Mirza | | |
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May 8th, 2012, 04:24 PM
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#20 | | >>Its Just Passing Time<<
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As we are in speculative , the bit they seem to have left of is the AL beginning, this could not have anything to do with it being the start of the name ALLAH could it ??
just a passing thought .
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