Originally Posted by 1991sudarshan If more number of Linear B writing documents are found, it may help in solving many of the Historical puzzles. If the ancient Greeks had the Linear B, then why did they derive Greeks alphabets from Phoenician alphabets ?

Originally Posted by 1991sudarshan Are there any literature written with the Linear B other than records and inventory kept the people in Power?

Iklaina in Messinia, the place where the archaeologists have unearthed the oldest in Europe writing on clay tablets, "returns" Professor of the University of Missouri-St Louis (UMSL), Michael Kosmopoulos, accompanied by the excavation team . This fact is recorded in the latest issue of the journal Archaeology, and the blog of the University UMSL, indicating that, for more than 10 years, Michael Kosmopoulos every summer working near the small village of southwestern Greece, in an olive grove. The discovery by Mr. Kosmopoulos the summer of 2010, clay tablets with Linear B script early, aged 3500 years, changed the facts on the history of education and bureaucracy in the western world.

Senior officials, officers, priests, soldiers and sailors, artisans of all disciplines, and agrotoktinotrofoi staff - men and women - for the support and operation of the political and economic system. Approximately 8,000 to 10,000 people were in the service of the palace at Thebes during the Mycenaean era, the great prosperity in the 14th and 13th century BC With a territory that stretched to the maximum part of Boeotia and possibly influence also extended beyond the Mycenaean Thebes with huge fortified citadel - the biggest of all - was the undisputed ruler of Central Greece, even with evidence that he possessed and influential position among great powers of the time: the Hittites, Egyptians, Assyrians, Syria and Palestine. But if Schliemann excavated Mycenae in the 19th century, Thebes, apart from the identification of the palace complex of Kadmeion in 1921, only in the 1960's came to light in the center of the modern city, findings confirm the hegemonic role in the region . Exotic and luxury items import but, most importantly, the Linear B tablets with texts showing vigorous administration, manufactured products, goods movement. Around 300 plates and 60 inscribed seals have been found to date in various parts of the citadel, but not the central archive of the palace. Moreover "the Cadmeia not seem to be neither the only nor the most important building block," says Dr. Claus Aravantinos, with archaeological term 30 years in Thebes as curator and specialist in the study of Linear B script. Riddles and solution seeking answers beneath the feet of the modern Thebans, as the city was being built over and over again for the previous millennia. With the Mycenaean citadel but occupied by the current settlement and the remains of the palace complex are revealed piecemeal here and there beneath the streets and houses, what chances are there for new finds? The new excavations, the first systematic, beginning in June at Thebes by Mr. Aravantinos under the auspices of the Archaeological Society, aim to provide the answer. Why in the center of town, expropriated the building site of Antigone, the archaeologist believes he can identify the file's palace. Just the opposite has also been called the "Room of jars" of the palace, where in 2005 revealed large selidoschimi tagged with centralized records skins. Finding that predisposes many more, the same size, possibly even summaries of a central file. "Thebes promises more tablets in Linear B tablets than any other place in Greece" assures Mr. Aravantinos. As for the palace, "may not yet be adequately disclosed and identified beneath thick deposits of which may underlie the main compartments of the Theban palace complex that was destroyed suddenly and in full operation and acne, shortly before or shortly after 1200 m . X. ' adds archaeologist. What is certain is that, despite the striking findings to date, the major discoveries that might shed light on the actual position of Thebes in the Mycenaean world have not yet occurred. The treasure-chamber Respective role of current treasurer, filling or even warehouses also had the administration, the central palatial buildings of the Mycenaean period. Precious gold jewelry, semiprecious stones lapis lazuli, cylinder seals of eastern origin, the local seals 'treasury', but utensils, weights weight, wooden furniture, tank fittings, harness, military kits, weapons, toys various precious objects, even raw materials kept in this - by Homer - "chamber". As a versatile laboratory where all areas of innovative technologies and ideologies grew uninterruptedly for 200 years the palace featuring Mr. Thebes Aravantinos, but also highlighting the particularities of the season: "The Mycenaean palace in the most austere and comprehensive version is presented with contradictions and compositions, with achievements and innovations in material and spiritual culture, cosmopolitan and outward appearance, yet with a centralized and monolithic texture, ideology and socio-political organization " . Alongside considers problematic interpretation given to date on political status and geographic scope, both the "state" of Thebes and other centers of Greece and Crete, as well as the relationships and balances between them hierarchy. "At all areas of the Aegean prevailed then, as ever, a" common "attitude and expression in art, writing and other aspects of culture" he notes. "The power held and exercised leadership groups with pyramidal organization which had the wanax head, while the other by blood and marriage origin occupiers of offices assigned administrative and other duties in the center or the periphery. The economy, however, was centralized and controlled by the central bureaucracy along the lines of their contemporaries Eastern political systems. " Myths and Reality There really Cadmus; And if not, who owned the palace of Thebes? Actually destroyed by "Epigonoi?" In any case reports and returns monuments in mythical persons of much later browsers such as Pausanias or and Strabo, was common throughout Greece. Today however, as stated by Mr. Aravantinos no justification any historical correlation with mythical heroes and leaders. Can therefore, according to the legend, the hero Cadmus founded the city in search of his sister Europe, but this was far from enough to be called "House of Cadmus' section of the important Mycenaean building soon discovered in modern times. Moreover, the graves of Amphion, children of Oedipus and Hercules, of Hector, the Kaanthou of crops and many others, regardless of what seemed at times that the Thebans drivers when Pausanias visited the site, it's just fantastic. "These are myths or assumptions istorikofanous character, such as the supposedly pre-Trojan war, siege and destruction of Thebes by his descendants, we have to separate the historical facts of what proved scientifically" says Mr. Aravantinos. Such references to mythical Thebes are many. As those texts in Mycenaean Thebes women from Miletus and national names Trojan / Trojan and Sminthefs. Also Homeric primacy of Boeotia in new directories and use the port of Aulis in legendary expedition to Troy. The so-called Homeric absence of Thebes from the campaign in conjunction with the legend of the Seven and epigones. And even the dubious hints of files in Hattusa, the capital of the Hittites, who speak for the country Achchigiava (ie Achaeans) and some believe that it may be Thebes. "The Mycenaean recovered are not identical nor time nor politically and socially with our heroes-known leaders of the Homeric epics. Just the same as those geographic, racial, and linguistic backgrounds " categorically states Mr. Aravantinos. As for the sudden collapse of the Mycenaean "states", "the cause should be found on both the inherent weaknesses and associated, rapid transformations in the wider Eastern Mediterranean." The signs reveal culture The decipherment of Linear B in the early 1950's by the English architect Michael Ventris , who proved that reads in Greek, literally opened up new avenues in the understanding of the Mycenaean civilization. The clay tablets were unearthed from the excavations at Knossos, Pylos was possible to read the archaeologists leading straight to the Mycenaean palaces and function. Pieces of clay on which short texts inscribed on economic matters were these signs, which have survived to this day thanks to baking from the fire that burned the Mycenaean palaces around 1200 BC Specific groups of Theban plates and seals with inscriptions in Linear B offer plenty of indications to the panorama of the activities of the palace, administrative and bureaucratic apparatus, which used a large number of highly trained officers-writes for the daily operation. The movement of goods and the action of the palace bureaucracy documented so at all administrative levels. In one of the signs recorded distribute seed grain and edible olives from the palace to various locations and another sending wine back from the palace. Elsewhere men recorded per individual or groups mentioned in another thirteen weaving, while another speaks to send wool from the palace in two weavers of which one was in Amarynthos. Opportunistic alone but are the references of text in places, religious events, secular ceremonies and product offerings. Conversely, a large group of commercial amphorae bearing painted inscriptions in Linear B confirm the massive oil imports in Boeotia from western Crete.

Originally Posted by Midas There are around 500 weapons mentioned in those tablets.

Sparta, the mythological birthplace and home of the Homeric heroine Helen, was
alleged to have worshiped her at two sites, at a shrine within the polis and at a shrine several kilometers outside the polis. We know very little about the former shrine, but the latter has been archaeologically attested; the partial walls and foundations of a fifth-century BC monument to Helen of Sparta and her husband Menelaos, known as the Menelaion, have been recovered on a ridge near the west bank of the Eurotas. There is a wealth of archaeological information recovered.

Helen and Menelaos belong to a large group of heroes and heroines who were
worshiped across Greece. These heroes, heroines, and their cults have long been
studied in classical archaeology and philology. The Menelaion was identified as such as early as 1833.

Mycenaean settlement in the central Eurotas valley of Laconia, close to the site of ancient and modern Sparta, in the south-central Peloponnese. The site was first identified and partly explored by the British School (under its sixth Director, R. M. Dawkins) in 1909–10. Fieldwork undertaken by the British School in 1973–77, 1980 and 1985, led by the then Director, H. W. Catling, shows a Mycenaean settlement concentrated on the upper part of the Menelaion ridge — comprising the North Hill, the Menelaion and Prophitis Elias Hills, and Aetos — covering an area of not less than 10 hectares. The ridge may have been first occupied during the Final Neolithic; there had certainly been a small Early Helladic settlement. All three hilltops had traces of Middle Helladic use, including several burials. Reinvestigation of the 1910 complex on the Menelaion Hill revealed superimposed ‘Mansions’, the earlier built in the 15th c. BC (LH IIB), the later in the earlier 14th c.(LH IIIA1). Their plans suggest prototypes for the much larger 13th c. palaces at Mycenae, Tiryns and Epano Englianos (Pylos). On the North Hill remains were damaged by severe erosion, but on Aetos a 15th–13/12th c. building sequence was associated with a ruined, once massive terrace wall. The present volume presents an exhaustive account of the Bronze Age structures (ca 50 in all) spread across the Menelaion Ridge.

Originally Posted by okamido If 'Menelaos' could be proven to have really existed, then I don't see why not. Good stuff, Midas.