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Old November 7th, 2012, 03:16 PM   #71
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a) Thanks. I will look at Bonfarte's works. Any essential things you can advice?
I actually have a second opinion. It's that Etruscans appeared out of nowhere and they are in no way related to any other human being on Earth. I find it hard to acknowledge.
That's indeed very improbable. Most probably Etruscan language belonged to some language family in the Asia Minor before that was wiped out by Indo-European languages.

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b) I guess that could have to do something to do with not many people being experts on Turkic dialects as a whole. If you don't know and aren't even interested in Turkic generally declaring the people and language as unhistorical and insignificant, the chances of claiming it as the source of Etruscan, Trojan and Pelasgian would become extremely small as a result.
It is very easy to see the resemblance even without knowing nothing about the language; even the web dictionaries can tell if Turkish has similar-looking word with similar meaning. Amateurs are listing words from Dravidian vs. Finnish, Hungarian vs. Sumerian etc. and we still see no word lists from Etruscan vs. Turkish!

That alone tells that the languages are very different.

P.S. Your book link didn't work.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #72
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http://ebooks.preslib.az/pdfbooks/en...garasharli.pdf

It works here using Firefox.
For some reason Windows version of Google Chrome does not open the pdf.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #73

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Lol, Turks seem to pop up everywhere. Pan-Turanian supporters have already claimed that Mongols, Tungusic peoples, Japanese, Koreans, Northern Chinese, Siberians, Central Asians, and Uralic peoples belong to the chimerical Pan-Turanian Turk family. Now they want to include Etruscans in their imaginary family. Who's their next target? The entire Eurasian population perhaps? I simply don't buy into their distorted accounts of history.
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Lol, Turks seem to pop up everywhere. Pan-Turanian supporters have already claimed that Mongols, Tungusic peoples, Japanese, Koreans, Northern Chinese, Siberians, Central Asians, and Uralic peoples belong to the chimerical Pan-Turanian Turk family. Now they want to include Etruscans in their imaginary family. Who's their next target? The entire Eurasian population perhaps? I simply don't buy into their distorted accounts of history.
They've already claimed Native-Americans, so I'd say you're thinking small.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #75
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Lol, Turks seem to pop up everywhere. Pan-Turanian supporters have already claimed that Mongols, Tungusic peoples, Japanese, Koreans, Northern Chinese, Siberians, Central Asians, and Uralic peoples belong to the chimerical Pan-Turanian Turk family. Now they want to include Etruscans in their imaginary family. Who's their next target? The entire Eurasian population perhaps? I simply don't buy into their distorted accounts of history.
I never claimed such things! You must be confusing me with someone else.

The only people among those you listed that are most closely related with Turks are Uralic people and Eurasia is most probably the first place where Turkic culture and language appeared.

Will you please keep on topic and argue about how this can or can't be instead of giving me examples about things not related to the topic at hand?

I mean Turks must have had their share of experience in ancient history if they were to create the most superpowers on Earth. Don't you think? All that Turkic population in Central Asia must have come from somewhere. Especially since it's known that Turkic population growth was always extremely low in Central Asia due to their semi-nomadic life style.

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Old November 8th, 2012, 04:41 AM   #76

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I never claimed such things! You must be confusing me with someone else.

The only people among those you listed that are most closely related with Turks are Uralic people and Eurasia is most probably the first place where Turkic culture and language appeared.
You didn't claim such things, but I know there are Turks who claimed such things. I argued with a Turk who tried to incorporate Koreans and Japanese into the chimerical Pan-Turanian Turk family. I disagreed with him. I don't think Turks are related with East Asians or Native Americans. Turks are probably related with Central Asians or Uralic peoples.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #77
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Pan turkish here lol they are most idiotic people

Etruscan are ANATOLIAN people their descend can be found anatolia
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Old February 24th, 2014, 04:13 AM   #78

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How can they be Turkic anything, when the Etruscan language and people well predate the arrival of Turkic peoples in Anatolia?
Turks started moving to Anatolia long before 1070, actually its accepted that the Battle Manzikert is the last date Turks crowdedly moved to minor asia.
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I don't believe it was as early as BC by longshot.
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Midas:

a) Thanks. I will look at Bonfarte's works. Any essential things you can advice?
I actually have a second opinion. It's that Etruscans appeared out of nowhere and they are in no way related to any other human being on Earth. I find it hard to acknowledge.

b) I guess that could have to do something to do with not many people being experts on Turkic dialects as a whole. If you don't know and aren't even interested in Turkic generally declaring the people and language as unhistorical and insignificant, the chances of claiming it as the source of Etruscan, Trojan and Pelasgian would become extremely small as a result.
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Lol, Turks seem to pop up everywhere. Pan-Turanian supporters have already claimed that Mongols, Tungusic peoples, Japanese, Koreans, Northern Chinese, Siberians, Central Asians, and Uralic peoples belong to the chimerical Pan-Turanian Turk family. Now they want to include Etruscans in their imaginary family. Who's their next target? The entire Eurasian population perhaps? I simply don't buy into their distorted accounts of history.


I think you have to learn what turanism is first

It is an union of Turanic people ( Ural-Altaic people) , not claiming that every human being including cro magnons were turkic

On the subject, i believe a lot of modern Anatolians and Italians share same Etruscan Dna heritage.. Thats the most logical answer
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