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Old July 20th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #1
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I recall reading of a Brythonic Celt tribe who were located north of Hadrian's Wall who were called the 'Strong Arm' people.
I can't find the ref. Can anyone help, please?
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There were a variety of tribes living north of the Wall that, judging by the evidence of place and personal names, were speaking Brythonic languages in the 1st-3rd Centuries CE; most of these are listed by Ptolemy the Geographer.

One of the tribes he mentioned were the Lugii. Several Celtic and/or Germanic peoples across Europe were known as the Lugii, the name seems to be taken from the Gaulish god Lugos - perserved in Christian Celtic mythology as the champion Lugh, who further evolved into the Arthurian Sir Lancelot.

Incidentally the title 'Strong Arm' was applied to Lugh. If this was in use in ancient times, perhaps it would have been attached to a tribe bearing his name. So the Caledonian 'Lugii' may be the people you are looking for, but that's merely an educated guess on my part.
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Thanks Salah,
I keep getting drawn back to Arthurian links during my research.
Very binteresting.
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Everyone north of the Wall was British until the Irish invaded. Can you be more specific?
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Sadly I can't be more specific, Iolo. I just remember the phrase 'north of Hadrian's Wall'.
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Sadly I can't be more specific, Iolo. I just remember the phrase 'north of Hadrian's Wall'.
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The Gododdin are the best known. I'll look up my books.
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Thanks Iolo.
I would imagine the tribes closest to the Wall were the ones to focus on. I say that as I was researching Border history at the time.
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The Gododdin were alternatively known as the Votadini in Roman times. Apparently there is a biker club in the modern UK that takes its name from them
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I understand that there was a Border tribe called the Gadeni, but I can find precious little of them. Could they have been the 'Strong Arm' people?

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Incidentally the title 'Strong Arm' was applied to Lugh. If this was in use in ancient times, perhaps it would have been attached to a tribe bearing his name. So the Caledonian 'Lugii' may be the people you are looking for, but that's merely an educated guess on my part.
The usual surname of Lugh was "Long Arm" (Lamhfhada), more than "Strong Arm".
Apart from that, we have a Cardog Strong-arm, who was an ancestor of the Kings of Gwent.
But no trace of a northern tribe with this name...
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