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Old November 17th, 2012, 08:08 AM   #141

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I wonder if I was the only person to be surprised that this thread isn`t about the Pelagians ( >_< )
Who are the Pelagians?
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Old November 17th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #142

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Midas is this substatum of non Indo-European words in modern Greek related to any known language?
There's no living language or group that contains reminiscent words to those non-IE words in ancient or modern Greek.

Keep in mind that pre-Greek was a language(s) that belongs to one generation before most current language groups. We're talking about a neolithic language here.
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There's no living language or group that contains reminiscent words to those non-IE words in ancient or modern Greek.

Keep in mind that pre-Greek was a language(s) that belongs to one generation before most current language groups. We're talking about a neolithic language here.
Like ancient Egyptian and Sumerian I believe
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Sort of...The difference is that Egyptian has related languages, while Sumerian does not.
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Like ancient Egyptian and Sumerian I believe
As you can consider Sumer language dead if I READ it is as I drink water.
Protocuneform of Sumer is the cleanest colloquial Tatar language.
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Who are the Pelagians?
pelasgians where considered sea people by some and it's not far from truth because in albanian pellg means deep sea also in italian pellgo but using my logice word pelasgian can be read as this if we add an S and divide the name in two pices spela meaning (shpella) in albanian cave and gigant meaning giants translation cave people, cave man etc..
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Sort of...The difference is that Egyptian has related languages, while Sumerian does not.
you are near but let me give you a hint pelasgians where worshiped by egyptians they where consideret divine people because they brought civilization to north afrika they tought egyptians how to work the land use the stars to unite tribes to live under law and many more basice things that differentiate savage i don't know if it the right word savage but there you go from first forms of civilization and i think after all those knowledge that brought to north afrika they where considered divine and where worshiped and people of egypt build the sfinks and pyramides and everything for them until one day a person named osirys started killing and persecuting and the pelasgians that where in north afrika and unite the whole people who where under pelasgian controle wich was basically a lot of tribes a lot of different people under osiris comand and made an attack to ballkan peninsula the home land of pelasgians and that was the first war against pelasgians from all other non pelasgian tribes that where ruled by pelasgian this is all after the death os saturn as it was written by hommer pelasgians where the bigest empire that ruled from north to south and it ruled for about 1600 years they created babylon city of jerusalem and a lot of old places they reached as far a china they also have myths about pelasgians only with different name i can writte more i hope i gave you some better picture this was only in short words i see here you mention a lot of greec anatolia and everything but the real key is albanian langugage albanian compered to today greece is far far more older
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pelasgian sea people, pellg-albanian deep sea also in italian pellago, but there is another one spela or shpella in albanian cave gians or gigantet albanian english giants cave giants or cave people cave man....
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Why do these huge discrepancies between actual books devoted to the historical and new archaeological discoveries? Because in general we humans have a tendency to be dogmatic, too lazy to try to change some attitudes. We refuse to believe that the current civilization existed before another civilization that was able to shine through its grandeur and conquests. And currently no traces of civilization are scattered all over the earth, but at the present time only studied simple quirks and not approved as historical realities.

Marija Gimbutas, eminent professor of the University of California at Los Angeles, where the preface of her book forces us to thinking respectful reverence:'' Territory of Romania is the hearth of what we called Old Europe, a cultural entity between 6500-3500 BC. Hr

Traces and evidence of their existence and current appear in Ukraine, Moldova, Hungary and southern Slovakia, the whole Balkans including Greece and neighboring islands, coasts of Asia Minor, Italy and Southern France, Mediterranean coast of Spain.

Archaeological inventories reveal their are huge, since vestiges of peaceful settlements, fortresses and defensive walls, shrines and objects, objects of work and struggle, unrivaled artwork, megalithic construction. But the most important thing left to them is the language, that language-specific single old European-language pre-latine alleged proto-latine. It also became evident that this ancient European civilization precedes the Sumerian few millennia . These data make it impossible assumption that warlike and violent Sumerian civilization would have been the earliest of the glob.

In Old Europe were not prepared fortifications or weapons to fight . Absence or representations regarding the warrior society led by men reflects a social structure in which women had the lead role in both men and women equally for the benefit of working in common. It was a real harmony in full agreement with the creative energies of nature.

You like to come to recognize the realities and way of life of Neolithic and copper hull meant more than sowing , harvesting , milling and baking bread or raising houses ... '' . And to be more specific words fill Marija Gimbutas , the creed of life of historian Nicolae Densuşianu mitologist and linked to the existence Pelasgian people : '' ... ( Pelasgians ) were the first who gathered in society families and tribes scattered throughout the caves , mountains and forests, founded villages and towns formed the first states gave their subjects laws and introduced more gentle way of life . ... For the Greek people , '' Pelasgians were the oldest people on earth '' .

Their race seemed so archaic , so superior in concept, strong in will and deed , so noble morals that traditions and poems greek attributed all Pelasgians epithet - diol - divine , they in truth they deserved the physical and moral gifts

I have to give right of Mircea Eliade when he says so categorically that:'' There are some books that require both long maturation, that are aging and outdated by science even before the occurrence.

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pelasgian sea people, pellg-albanian deep sea also in italian pellago, but there is another one spela or shpella in albanian cave gians or gigantet albanian english giants cave giants or cave people cave man....
To make a story short and separate facts from fiction.
The sea concept is a loanword from Greek 'pelagos'.

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The original word for sea in Albanian is 'det', from proto-Albanian *deubeta 'depth' in turn from proto-Indo-European *dheub 'deep'.

The last is from Brills Albanian Etymological Dictionary.

Last but not least, I doubt Pelasgians were Indo-Europeans, since no Indo-European language (Greek, Albanian or Anatolian IE) was spoken by the neolithic natives. All those languages came much later to the region.
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