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Old November 6th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #11

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light cavalry with lances would easilly destroy horse archers
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:48 AM   #12
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Lure them into a large open area framed with deep ditches with spikes on the bottom on three sides, then close them in with something like a testudo formation. Then close in for the kill. Optionally use a canyon if they're dumb enough to go into the trap.
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Of course especially footmen can't survive without heavy shields.
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Light missile infantry. Chinese successfully used crossbow to fight horse archers. As already mentioned before, Alexander basically used light missile footmen as well to counter Scythians.

Horses and their riders are large target and fallen horses tend to obstruct movement of rest of the riders.
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Light missile infantry. Chinese successfully used crossbow to fight horse archers. As already mentioned before, Alexander basically used light missile footmen as well to counter Scythians.

Horses and their riders are large target and fallen horses tend to obstruct movement of rest of the riders.
Didn't the Chinese lose to the Mongols?
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mosquito are you getting at something?

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Didn't the Chinese lose to the Mongols?
Most important component of Mongol army was their heavy cavalry. These guys have light infantry for dinner

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On the pciture is winged hussar - so he is definatelly not a light cavalry class.

In the old Commonwealth to fight steppe archers was used light cavalry which made about 20% of all cavalry forces.
On the begining there was two types of those cavalry in the Polish army: Light Tatar Cavalry and Light Wallahian Cavalry. Later was created also Light Cossack cavalry.
They were usually armed with lance, pistols, bow and sabre,
shield.
In the second half of XVIII century all those types of Polish light cavalry (but especially Tatar) changed into uhlans which became popular type of cavalry in the whole Europe and even overseas (the word ulhlan also comes from Tatar language).

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An all light cavalry army in the pre-gunpowder age would normally expect to defeat a predominately infantry army in wide open steppe.

A small portion of the horse archer army would be equipped with the lance and an even smaller part would be "heavy" by their standards.

Essentially the more mobile force wins provided it has space to retreat into and time to do so

So if your key positions (ports, cities, manufacturing center, agricultural region) is close by, your army has to stand and make a fight...if you're a 1,000 miles or more from where you really need to defend, you will wear your enemy down

You don't have to win the battle...win the war

Think the Parthians defeating Crassus
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None of you mentioned war elephants. They can scare horses and can be used against horse archers.
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