map of europe in ancient times? - Historum

Cav · November 9th, 2012, 10:16 AM

Hey. Can you people share a map of Europe in ancient times? any time around 400bc, 300bc or by the end of the western roman empire would be great. this are the perios that interest me the most and seeing all the nations placed at the same time would be awesome.

**okamido** · November 9th, 2012, 10:28 AM

450 BC Europe Herodotus Map

Europe in 500 BC. languagemap

Europe 500 bce.

Cav · November 9th, 2012, 10:30 AM

ooh cool i just finded this European History Interactive Map if you guys have anything better that would be great but i will stick to this for now

ooh and thank you okamido as always great post!

**Iolo** · November 9th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Okamido - I think you'd have your work cut out to find evidence for Gaelic in Scotland that early (i.e. as shown by Lessman).

**okamido** · November 9th, 2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Iolo

Okamido - I think you'd have your work cut out to find evidence for Gaelic in Scotland that early (i.e. as shown by Lessman).

It is interesting that he chose that specific term, perhaps a form of generic catch-all? If however, you have speakers of Goidelic in both Dal-Riata and Ulster by the end of the 6th century...what might a better term for them be?

**Iolo** · November 9th, 2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by okamido

It is interesting that he chose that specific term, perhaps a form of generic catch-all? If however, you have speakers of Goidelic in both Dal-Riata and Ulster by the end of the 6th century...what might a better term for them be?

It is just conceivable that there was Goidelic in Dal Riata, but pretty unlikely, I think. Most of the placename evidence we have suggest a wholly Brythonic island of Britain in pre-Roman times, or so I've been convincingly informed. Difficult to know about languages in the past, obviously, but I rather think that the weight of such evidence as there is works against early Goidelic up there.

**okamido** · November 9th, 2012, 12:01 PM

I don't have any books on this subject so I have been running back and forth on the net looking for tidbits. I found one resource: Gillies, William (1993). "Scottish Gaelic". In Martin J. Ball and James Fife (eds.). The Celtic languages. London: Routledge. pp. 145–227, that seems to push the migration (and thus Goidelic in Scotland) as early as the 3rd century. This seems like a major outlier as I have never come across this date before and since I can't find an actual copy online, I can't really verify it.

sylla1 · November 9th, 2012, 12:40 PM

Hellas & Crete in the Tabula Peutingeriana.

rysky · November 9th, 2012, 12:56 PM

OK if the people want to get some historicial maps then I we got the right web page (this page is most bigest, historicial map base ever on internet) David Rumsey Historical Map Collection | The Collection
enjoy...

Cav · November 9th, 2012, 01:13 PM

thank you risky! thats a great source!