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Old November 10th, 2012, 05:20 PM   #11

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Still there are many things I do not understand. Herodotus's account gives an impression that land battles were important, yet all important battles or events happened at sea. In fact, the Persian army stood in Greece for the whole year and the only land decisive battle was fought in 479 BC. Also, if getting into mainland Greece and, further, Peloponessus, was so important for the Persians, why did not they follow the advise of Demaratos (to sail around Greece, disembark at Gythaeum in Laconia, and attack Sparta?). This strategy would have been deadly for the Greeks. And the Persians had enough ships for it.
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well it is said"We Spartains are decedents from Heracles" so it could have been a sacrifice to Heracles
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well it is said"We Spartains are decedents from Heracles" so it could have been a sacrifice to Heracles
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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #14

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Yes it was. Once his forces were outflanked, he stayed back with his surviving Spartans and fought to the last man. It gave the Greek forces that were with him and the rest to regroup and prepare for more combat.
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We have already been here more than once.

At the risk of overstating the obvious again, it was a most absurd waste of extremely valuable resources.

Each & any of such wasted soldiers (and their equipment) would have been extremely valuable either for both:
- The ultimate stand at the Isthmus of Korinthos which actually saved the still free Hellas. or
- The later clash at Plataea which eventually crushed the Persians and their Hellenic allies.
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It was a delaying action to allow the Greek states to regroup. Without no such delaying action, the Greeks may not have been able deal with the full assault. Im not just talking field battles, im taking politically too, as Persia used her superior espionage abilities to sever the disgruntled states from any alliance.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #17

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Not an answer to the OP as I'm not overly familiar with the political play between the Kings of Sparta, but rather an observation of the "last stand" at Thermopylae. There were far more Greeks fighting than just the 300 Spartans of myth and the cheeseball Frank Miller movie. In fact the Spartans were vastly outnumbered by their own allies in the battle. The fact is there were over 1000 Thesbians and Thebans (along with many other Greeks) fighting in the last ditch battle alongside the Spartans. The Spartans made up less than 25% of the Greeks that were massacred in the battle.

Guess the Spartans had a better press agent.
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Not an answer to the OP as I'm not overly familiar with the political play between the Kings of Sparta, but rather an observation of the "last stand" at Thermopylae. There were far more Greeks fighting than just the 300 Spartans of myth and the cheeseball Frank Miller movie. In fact the Spartans were vastly outnumbered by their own allies in the battle. The fact is there were over 1000 Thesbians and Thebans (along with many other Greeks) fighting in the last ditch battle alongside the Spartans. The Spartans made up less than 25% of the Greeks that were massacred in the battle.

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THIS IS SPARTA!!! Had to say let us get back on topic
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Yes it was. Once his forces were outflanked, he stayed back with his surviving Spartans and fought to the last man. It gave the Greek forces that were with him and the rest to regroup and prepare for more combat.
Most of such forces (e.g. central Hellenes like the Thebans & Locrians) didn't "regroup" but actually sided with the Persians.

The bulk of the Peloponnesian forces remained on the other side of the Isthmus Wall from the beginning, exactly where Leonidas should have driven his forces so futilely wasted once it became clear that the Thessalians had defected.
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