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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:46 AM   #11

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If you may be aware of any recent quellenforschung that may back such categorical assertion, please share it with us,

Conversely, if you may not be aware of the centuries-long academic study on the sources of Livius' work, this would be a good chance to review it.

Even in Wikipedia you might find some useful stuff on this topic.
here you have from wikipedia:

Livy's sources
For the first decade, Livy perused the works of a group of historians in or near his own times, who, rightly or wrongly, have been called "the
Annalists Annalists
." Some twelve historians in this category are named by Livy in Book I as sources on the monarchy.[23] In order of time interval backward from Livy they are: Gaius
Licinius_Macer Licinius_Macer
,
Quintus_Claudius_Quadrigarius Quintus_Claudius_Quadrigarius
,
Valerius_Antias Valerius_Antias
, Gnaius Gellius, Gaius Sempronius Tuditanus (consul 129 BC),
Lucius_Cassius_Hemina Lucius_Cassius_Hemina
,
Lucius_Calpurnius_Piso Lucius_Calpurnius_Piso
, Aulus Postumius Albinus (consul 151 BC), Gaius Acilius Glabrio,
Cato_the_Elder Cato_the_Elder
,
Lucius_Cincius_Alimentus Lucius_Cincius_Alimentus
,
Quintus_Fabius_Pictor Quintus_Fabius_Pictor
. Elsewhere he mentions
Sempronius_Asellio Sempronius_Asellio
. Macer, the latest of these, died in 66 BCE. Fabius, the earliest, fought in the Gallic War of 225 BCE.
Livy's sources were by no means confined to the annalists. Other historians of his times mention documents still extant then dating as far back as the kingship: treaties between
Servius_Tullius Servius_Tullius
and the
Latins Latins
;
Lucius_Tarquinius_Superbus Lucius_Tarquinius_Superbus
and
Gabii Gabii
; three between Rome and
Carthage Carthage
; Cassius and the Latins, 493 BC, which was engraved in bronze. In addition the
Pontifex_Maximus Pontifex_Maximus
kept the
Annales_Maximi Annales_Maximi
(yearly events) on display in his house, the
Roman_censor Roman_censor
kept the Commentarii Censorum, the
Praetor Praetor
kept their own records, the
Commentarii Commentarii
College_of_Pontiffs College_of_Pontiffs
and Libri Augurales were available as well as all the laws on stone or brass; the
Fasti Fasti
(list of magistrates) and the
Linen_Rolls Linen_Rolls
, historical records kept in the temple of Juno
Moneta Moneta
.[24]
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here you have from wikipedia:

Livy's sources
For the first decade, Livy perused the works of a group of historians in or near his own times, who, rightly or wrongly, have been called "the annalists." Some twelve historians in this category are named by Livy in Book I as sources on the monarchy.[23] In order of time interval backward from Livy they are: Gaius Licinius Macer, Quintus Claudius Quadrigarius, Valerius Antias, Gnaius Gellius, Gaius Sempronius Tuditanus (consul 129 BC), Lucius Cassius Hemina, Lucius Calpurnius Piso, Aulus Postumius Albinus (consul 151 BC), Gaius Acilius Glabrio, Marcus Porcius Cato, Lucius Cincius Alimentus, Quintus Fabius Pictor. Elsewhere he mentions Sempronius Asellio. Macer, the latest of these, died in 66 BCE. Fabius, the earliest, fought in the Gallic War of 225 BCE.
Livy's sources were by no means confined to the annalists. Other historians of his times mention documents still extant then dating as far back as the kingship: treaties between Servius Tullius and the Latins; Lucius Tarquinius Superbus and Gabii; three between Rome and Carthage; Cassius and the Latins, 493 BC, which was engraved in bronze. In addition the Pontifex Maximus kept the Annales Maximi (yearly events) on display in his house, the censors kept the Commentarii Censorum, the praetors kept their own records, the Commentarii Pontificum and Libri Augurales were available as well as all the laws on stone or brass; the fasti (list of magistrates) and the Libri Lintei, historical records kept in the temple of Juno Moneta.[24]
Glad you were able to verify that as already explained by yours truly, the earliest annalists were from the time of the Punic Wars; by then the Struggle of the orders was already remote semi-legendary stuff.

The historical contradictions were already immense and they were just exponentially increased by the biases of later Imperial historians like Titus Livius himself, who had a hard time understanding the complexities of the Republican constitution.

There are three other major sources on the Fasti Consulares; Dionysios of Halikarnassos' Roman Antiquities, Diodoros of Agyrion Bibliotheka Historika and the Varronian-Augustan tradition (fundamentally epigraphical)
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