Outside Caesar and outside arena - Historum

Le Hoang · November 11th, 2012, 04:45 PM

Many people think Caesar is the best general of Roman and arena is all of Roman but it isn't true .
Roman always said " Fortune like Caesar and Talent like Trajan" . I know someone very exellent in millitary . They are Trajan , Marcus Aurelius , Sulla and Marius . I don't think them can't do things similar to Caesar . The most effective battle belong to Marius , not Caesar . In a battle , his army kill enemies greater than 80 times his soldier . Trajan conquered Dacian and Parthian but Caesar or Crassus can't do ... So I thnik Caesar isn't best in Roman .
Arena is very interesting but scientist found many things outside it . Roman has many scientist : Heron , Vitruvius , Pliny , Galenus ... They invented many important inventor , too . Crystal , cement , sailng - boat ... were invented by Roman in their empire age . So , science and technology of Roman is very attracting .

**okamido** · November 11th, 2012, 05:23 PM

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Trajan conquered Dacian and Parthian but Caesar or Crassus can't do ... So I thnik Caesar isn't best in Roman

Caesar never tried.

**Mandate of Heaven** · November 11th, 2012, 06:11 PM

The saying was/is "as lucky as Augustus and as good as Trajan".

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Le Hoang · November 11th, 2012, 06:12 PM

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Caesar never tried.

But you sure Caesar can defeat Parthian ? Yes or no?

**Mandate of Heaven** · November 11th, 2012, 06:14 PM

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But you sure Caesar can defeat Parthian ? Yes or no?

Caesar he himself said the outcome of a battle often hinges on the seemingly most insignificant matters. So, no I am not sure. But I am sure Trajan wasn't 100% sure he was going to defeat the Parthians either.

Le Hoang · November 11th, 2012, 06:20 PM

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Caesar he himself said the outcome of a battle often hinges on the seemingly most insignificant matters. So, no I am not sure. But I am sure Trajan wasn't 100% sure he was going to defeat the Parthians either.

I can understand . Could you explain your pinion ? Trajan defeated Parthian in history and located a new Parthian king in Susan . Why you said he wasn't 100% going to defeat Parthian?

**Mandate of Heaven** · November 11th, 2012, 06:30 PM

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I can understand . Could you explain your pinion ? Trajan defeated Parthian in history and located a new Parthian king in Susan . Why you said he wasn't 100% going to defeat Parthian?

Just because he did it doesn't mean he's 100% sure he would win. I got into an Ivy school, but I wasn't 100% sure I would get in when I applied. Most things in the world are like that. To say Trajan was 100% sure he would win before actually fighting is stretching the imagination by alot.

sylla1 · November 11th, 2012, 10:13 PM

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... Roman always said " Fortune like Caesar and Talent like Trajan" ...

Actually by Fortune they referred to C. Octavius Thurinus, aka CJ Caesar Jr, aka Augustus (the first Emperor).

The Idus of March DCCVI AUC / 44 BC was hardly their idea of good fortune.

**irishcrusader95** · November 11th, 2012, 11:18 PM

Caesar was even planning a grand campaign against Parthia which was to rival Alexander the Greats conquests, yet he was assassinated just before he was to set off for it. how well he was going to perform i can't say as he would have faced a very different enemy and terrain to what he had previously handled. yet if his other victories are anything to go by like Alesia and Pharsalus then he was certainly up to the challenge.

only speculation can say and everyone is right in speculation.

**Mandate of Heaven** · November 11th, 2012, 11:37 PM

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Caesar was even planning a grand campaign against Parthia which was to rival Alexander the Greats conquests, yet he was assassinated just before he was to set off for it. how well he was going to perform i can't say as he would have faced a very different enemy and terrain to what he had previously handled. yet if his other victories are anything to go by like Alesia and Pharsalus then he was certainly up to the challenge.

only speculation can say and everyone is right in speculation.

I think he was certainly aware of Parthians' troop types and tactics. Crassus was a close friend.