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November 21st, 2012, 03:32 PM
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#1 | | Citizen
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 19 | Need Help Deciding/Finding Books
So looking at the military (weapons, armour, strategies/tactics, artillery) for Rome + Greece, but don't know what to choose...
Here's the list: Roman military equipment: from the Punic Wars to the fall of Rome - M. C. Bishop, J. C. Coulston - Google Books Roman cavalry equipment - Ian P. Stephenson, Karen R. Dixon - Google Books Roman Infantry Equipment: The Later Empire - Ian P. Stephenson - Google Books Weapons of the Romans - Michel Feugère - Google Books Roman Battle Tactics 109BC-AD313 - Ross Cowan - Google Books Roman Battle Tactics 390-110 BC - Nic Fields - Google Books Greek and Roman warfare: battle, tactics and trickery - John Drogo Montagu - Google Books
P.S - What else I'm looking for:
So basically, I want to find a book on the whole of the Roman Empire, the whole 600 year period, a huge book. This would be my first non-school book in ... years and years, I haven't started reading before this, but I went to the library the other day, and I felt the books were very entertaining, and I was superised that I was totally reading the book and tunnel-visioned on it, blocking out the outside!
So I want a book OR a series of books (that individually) that focuses on the whole 600 year period, if this isn't possible, then maybe ALL of the emperors in a book OR a series of books. The reason I am asking for assistance is because I have tried looking myself, but the result was unfavorable, I have never looked for a book before XD
I also want to find books on:
- Roman Types of Units (in the army) - their names and uses (maybe it's in the strategy books above)
- Political aspects (Roman politicians, their decisions and how they effected events, domestically and internationally)
- Cultural lifestyle (for a range of people, soldiers, politicians, slaves, ordinary citizens etc.)
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November 21st, 2012, 04:07 PM
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#2 | | Academician
Joined: Feb 2010 From: Montana Posts: 58 |
I don't know which of those secondary sources you should pick, but I suggest you start with Vegetius: de rei militari (on military matters, or epitome of military science, depending on the translation of the title). It is a primary source, a military handbook, written during the later roman empire. Sometimes primary sources can be tedious to read, and it can be easier to read a secondary source, but this is not such a case. You should definitely read this before any of those other ones. You'll see what I mean once you get into it. Also, the other great one is maurice's strategikon. that one is from a few hundred years later, after the collapse of the western roman government, but it's still damn good
Also, when looking for secondary sources, I would suggest getting the most recent books you can, because so much of the material from 30 years ago, even, is crap. History has been 'changing' so much even over the last two decades that much of what was written beyond that span is practically moot. Not in every case, of course, but much of it is.
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November 21st, 2012, 04:26 PM
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#3 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2010 From: UK Posts: 4,016 |
Out of those listed sources, the bottom two are worth reading, imo.
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November 21st, 2012, 05:58 PM
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#4 | | Academician
Joined: Feb 2010 From: Montana Posts: 58 |
War and Society in Imperial Rome, 31 BC-AD 284
that's one you might like
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November 21st, 2012, 07:00 PM
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#5 | | Restitutor Canadensis
Joined: Nov 2010 From: The Great Indoors Posts: 2,530 |
The Fall of the West by Adrian Goldsworthy does a thorough job of covering the period from Marcus Aurelius (180 AD) onward.
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November 21st, 2012, 07:51 PM
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#6 | | Megas Domestikos
Joined: Dec 2009 From: Canada Posts: 2,540 |
Judging from what you have up there, it seems like you're quite interested in the Roman army. A quick and humourous introduction is this one. It's written by a notable scholar and quite amusing, perhaps even more so once you've read the sources and can see how he's using them:
I would really highly recommend taking a look at what the Romans themselves had to say on warfare. A number of major sources focus exclusively on it. Caesar's de Bello Gallico is a good place to start. It's very easy reading and a lot of action. Ammianus is IMHO, one of the best of the Roman military historians simply because he manages to make his narratives so exciting. If you're interested in the 4th c. Romans fighting off Franks and Alamanni and then making a big attack on Persia, this is the book the read. Ammianus was present at much of what he describes, so it's first-rate stuff. For older material you can look at Polybius and Livy, both of which are important. I don't work in the Republican period so I can't say I find them thrilling, but then again if I did I probably would work in that era. You can find some stuff in Tacitus, although a lot of that is political wrangling more than warfare. Josephus may have some of the best material on the Roman army in action in the first century. Do not skip The Jewish War. Procopius is also top-notch and describes campaigning in Persia, Italy, the Caucasus, Sicily, and Africa, but again is very late. Goldsworthy's intro to the army is useful and accessible. Not all of these editions are ideal, but they're all cheap and easy to get your hands on. Procopius is not, however, with the Wars being only available in five volumes. The Ammianus edition is not very good, but nor is the Loeb, which runs to over $75 for all three volumes. The Penguin Polybius is abridged; fortunately a Landmark Polybius is in the works. | | |
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November 21st, 2012, 07:52 PM
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#7 | | Megas Domestikos
Joined: Dec 2009 From: Canada Posts: 2,540 |
Deleted. I checked to make sure this wouldn't post twice, but it did anyway.
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November 21st, 2012, 11:34 PM
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#8 | | Citizen
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 19 | Quote:
Originally Posted by JediArron So looking at the military (weapons, armour, strategies/tactics, artillery) for Rome + Greece, but don't know what to choose...
Here's the list: Roman military equipment: from the Punic Wars to the fall of Rome - M. C. Bishop, J. C. Coulston - Google Books Roman cavalry equipment - Ian P. Stephenson, Karen R. Dixon - Google Books Roman Infantry Equipment: The Later Empire - Ian P. Stephenson - Google Books Weapons of the Romans - Michel Feugère - Google Books Roman Battle Tactics 109BC-AD313 - Ross Cowan - Google Books Roman Battle Tactics 390-110 BC - Nic Fields - Google Books Greek and Roman warfare: battle, tactics and trickery - John Drogo Montagu - Google Books
Added recently: Arms and Armour of the Imperial Roman Soldier: From Marius to Commodus, 112 ... - Raffaele D'Amato, Graham Sumner - Google Books
Added recently: Roman Imperial Armour: The Production of Early Imperial Military Armour - David Sim, Jaime Kaminski - Google Books
P.S - What else I'm looking for:
So basically, I want to find a book on the whole of the Roman Empire, the whole 600 year period, a huge book. This would be my first non-school book in ... years and years, I haven't started reading before this, but I went to the library the other day, and I felt the books were very entertaining, and I was superised that I was totally reading the book and tunnel-visioned on it, blocking out the outside!
So I want a book OR a series of books (that individually) that focuses on the whole 600 year period, if this isn't possible, then maybe ALL of the emperors in a book OR a series of books. The reason I am asking for assistance is because I have tried looking myself, but the result was unfavorable, I have never looked for a book before XD
I also want to find books on:
- Roman Types of Units (in the army) - their names and uses (maybe it's in the strategy books above)
- Political aspects (Roman politicians, their decisions and how they effected events, domestically and internationally)
- Cultural lifestyle (for a range of people, soldiers, politicians, slaves, ordinary citizens etc.) | 2 more armour books added!
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November 21st, 2012, 11:43 PM
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#9 | | Citizen
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 19 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirialax Judging from what you have up there, it seems like you're quite interested in the Roman army. A quick and humourous introduction is this one. It's written by a notable scholar and quite amusing, perhaps even more so once you've read the sources and can see how he's using them: Amazon.com: Legionary: The Roman Soldier's (Unofficial) Manual (Unofficial Manuals) (9780500251515): Philip Matyszak: Books
I would really highly recommend taking a look at what the Romans themselves had to say on warfare. A number of major sources focus exclusively on it. Caesar's de Bello Gallico is a good place to start. It's very easy reading and a lot of action. Ammianus is IMHO, one of the best of the Roman military historians simply because he manages to make his narratives so exciting. If you're interested in the 4th c. Romans fighting off Franks and Alamanni and then making a big attack on Persia, this is the book the read. Ammianus was present at much of what he describes, so it's first-rate stuff. For older material you can look at Polybius and Livy, both of which are important. I don't work in the Republican period so I can't say I find them thrilling, but then again if I did I probably would work in that era. You can find some stuff in Tacitus, although a lot of that is political wrangling more than warfare. Josephus may have some of the best material on the Roman army in action in the first century. Do not skip The Jewish War. Procopius is also top-notch and describes campaigning in Persia, Italy, the Caucasus, Sicily, and Africa, but again is very late. Goldsworthy's intro to the army is useful and accessible. Not all of these editions are ideal, but they're all cheap and easy to get your hands on. Procopius is not, however, with the Wars being only available in five volumes. The Ammianus edition is not very good, but nor is the Loeb, which runs to over $75 for all three volumes. The Penguin Polybius is abridged; fortunately a Landmark Polybius is in the works. The Complete Roman Army (The Complete Series): Adrian Goldsworthy: 9780500288993: Amazon.com: Books The Gallic War: Seven Commentaries on The Gallic War with an Eighth Commentary by Aulus Hirtius (Oxford World's Classics): Julius Caesar, Carolyn Hammond: 9780199540266: Amazon.com: Books The War with Hannibal: The History of Rome from Its Foundation, Books XXI-XXX (Penguin Classics) (Bks. 21-30): Titus Livius Livy, Aubrey De Selincourt: 9780140441451: Amazon.com: Books The Histories (Oxford World's Classics): Polybius, Robin Waterfield, Brian McGing: 9780199534708: Amazon.com: Books The Histories (Penguin Classics): Tacitus, Rhiannon Ash, Kenneth Wellesley: 9780140449648: Amazon.com: Books The Annals of Imperial Rome (Penguin Classics): Tacitus, Michael Grant: 9780140440607: Amazon.com: Books The Jewish War: Revised Edition (Penguin Classics): Flavius Josephus, Betty Radice: 9780140444209: Amazon.com: Books The Later Roman Empire: A.D. 354-378 (Penguin Classics): Ammianus Marcellinus, Andrew Wallace-Hadrill, Walter Hamilton: 9780140444063: Amazon.com: Books Procopius: History of the Wars, Vol. 1, Books 1-2: The Persian War (Loeb Classical Library) (English and Greek Edition): Procopius, H. B. Dewing: 9780674990548: Amazon.com: Books | Thank you very much, I like the look of The Roman Soldier's Unofficial Guide! XD
I might buy that first, to understand the general overview of the Roman Armies' lives, then focus into specifics, weapons, artillery, units, strategies!
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November 22nd, 2012, 04:12 AM
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#10 | | Citizen
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 19 |
For now I have purchased: Weapons of the Romans - Michel Feugère - Google Books
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Hopefully the Weapons of the Romans book was the best of the 3 or 4 I could have chose from above.
I later intend to buy the bottom 3 | | |
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