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Old January 4th, 2013, 08:04 AM   #231
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Jews were not Monotheistic until the Babylonian Exile period, before that they were merely Henotheists.

Henotheists

They were not even Henotheists. It is said of King Solomon:

Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 1Ki 11:7


A 'high place' is a bamah, or a cultic platform.

Meanwhile, Queen Machah is said to have:

And also Maachah his mother, even her he removed from being queen, because she had made an idol in a grove; and Asa destroyed her idol, and burnt it by the brook Kidron. 1Ki 15:13


The 'idol' is a miphletseth, a 'horrible thing'. But as Rabbi Solomon Jarchi said (19th century) "Our rabbins say that it was called it miphletseth, because maphli leytsanutha produced wonderful ridicule; for she made it an ad instar membri virilis, and she used it daily."

A membri virilis is a priappas, or an erect penis. So they were indulging in phallus worship during the Divided Monarchy. This is another reason why the Talmud says that Jesus produced miracles by using his penis.


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Old January 4th, 2013, 09:15 AM   #232

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Phallic statues weren't so rare also in Egyptian culture.

The most known example of this was the deity MIN [ Mnw ], the god of fertility, who usually was represented with an erected penis. In Thebes the God became even an identification of Amon.
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damn it --- just when you think you have it all nailed down and you can sit back and enjoy your new book and glass of scotch and check your post on "historum" --- along comes this

Olive branch solves a Bronze Age mystery - Technology & science - Science - Mysteries of the Universe | NBC News

they've pushed everything back by as much as 200 years -- WOW

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According to the new chronology, the Late Bronze Age civilizations in the Aegean and on Cyprus may have developed in association with 18th- and 17th-century Canaanite and Levantine civilizations and their expanding maritime trade world. These cultures were very different from the Egyptians’ in terms of culture, language and religion
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Since the 1970s, scientists have been measuring radiocarbon dates from the same areas, which don’t match with this artifact-based timeframe. Because of uncertainty about the dating methods, however, the radiocarbon results haven’t been convincing enough to overturn the archaeologists’ conclusions.

“It’s probably the biggest controversy in eastern Mediterranean archeology,” Manning said.

There has also been an inertia factor. Manning noted that if the existing chronology were wrong, it would mean rewriting the dates in museums and textbooks. And, it would have a more far-reaching effect, requiring a rethinking of some of the basic assumptions about the origins of European history.
WHAT -- facts got in the way and we have to "rewrite" the textbooks. this is a disaster (no pun intended). darn facts, they are forever screwing up history --

if egypt was "weak" 200 years earlier, then they (the hebrews) would have left when egypt was "strong" or something else --- its back to the drawing board ---


please note this just showed up on my science notes dated 2008 -- ???????

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is this telling me that any book i have with dating prior to 2008 is "obsolete"
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This crossing of changing chronology is extremely interesting.

I have to consider how Rohl's conceptions and this could be coordinated to draw a totally different scenario of the Bronze Age in Eastern Mediterranean [overall if it makes sense or not].
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Jews were not Monotheistic until the Babylonian Exile period, before that they were merely Henotheists.

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In times they worshiped idols... Sometimes they did not sometimes they did.
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Old January 4th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #237

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Dont complain about that though Davu , it's the re-writting of the history books that seems to make them reticent to promote recent discoveries , and possible new chronologies,

... i would rather know the latest findings , throw out the old books , and go buy a new , hopefully correct one .


How is all this going to sit with Velikovsky ???............not sure Fomenko is going to like it all getting a longer time frame however .
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Velikovsky was maybe the first, but not the last that realized some 'dark ages' were artificially placed to support chronology datings that have lots of problems. If nothing else, he was interesting. I really enjoyed Oedipus and Akhenaten.
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Velikovsky was maybe the first, but not the last that realized some 'dark ages' were artificially placed to support chronology datings that have lots of problems. If nothing else, he was interesting. I really enjoyed Oedipus and Akhenaten.
Immanuil Velikovsky is more know for his theories related to catastrophes than for his opinion about chronologies.

Anyway, his approach is quite peculiar.

Generally a "dark age" [or an age of stagnation] can exist in history. The reasons for similar "holes" when there war no perpetual archives like today weren't so exceptional. And in the far past we have seen several "dark ages" [to beginning with the intermediate periods of Egyptian dynasties].
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