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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:45 AM   #11

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I thought that Albanians were mostly Slavs who arrived in the Balkans during the 5th century AD
No, they are obviously natives.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #12

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This made the Greek nationalists proudly espousing their Greek heritage sometime ago in this forum an ironic mockery.
I am not sure what you mean, but isn't it expected to be similar to most of your neighbours? Does that take away your ancestry?
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There are many modern Greeks. Greek of Pontus, West Anatolia, Greece, Balkans... Levant...

Who are these Greek which resemble to Albanians?
There's not much difference... Pontus Greeks have just higher G2a. The rest is the same with minor differences (less I2a, less R1a).

Cypriots and Cretans have very high J2a frequencies, which make a difference. Basically, they are second in J2a % after some Caucasus populations.
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And ironically, there are Greeks and Albanians around and they don't like each others. At all.
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When Greece was established in 1832, on the first session of parliament for one or two votes Albanian language was not voted for the second official language. In Greece even today live many Albanians.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:03 PM   #16

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When Greece was established in 1832, on the first session of parliament for one or two votes Albanian language was not voted for the second official language. In Greece even today live many Albanians.
It is irrelevant though. Whether many Albanians had moved to Greece or not, the genetic makeup in both regions was like that anyway. If you add more orange juice in your orange juice, you still get orange juice.

For example a migration of Portuguese to Spain, wouldn't change something. If you found someones remains 100 years later, you wouldn't guess the ethnicity. Unless it was written on the tombstone of course.
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It is irrelevant though. Whether many Albanians had moved to Greece or not, the genetic makeup in both regions was like that anyway. If you add more orange juice in your orange juice, you still get orange juice.

For example a migration of Portuguese to Spain, wouldn't change something. If you found someones remains 100 years later, you wouldn't guess the ethnicity. Unless it was written on the tombstone of course.
No,no, Albanians had not moved from nowhere, when Greece was established they already had lived in Greece. Of course, as I know.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #18

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No,no, Albanians had not moved from nowhere, when Greece was established they already had lived in Greece. Of course, as I know.
They came in the 14th century A.D onwards.
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what about the ancient greeks? are modern greeks direct descendants of them?
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I always thought of the Greeks as probably the most "pure" of the European people. And by pure I just mean more directly descended from the ancient inhabitants of that geographical area, not any of that pure race nationalist nonsense.
For example the Portuguese like to claim being descendents from the Lusitanians but with the Romans, then Goths and company, then Moors,etc... we probably have little of Lusitanian in our blood.
I am not that familiar with this subject but with all the barbarian migrations since the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, Greece always seemed relatively shielded to me.

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