pinguin

Are you Mormon, right? If so, I bet John Smith didn't tell everything he knew on this case

First, do you think is easy to cross the Atlantic in such bad ships as the Phoenicians had? Nope. Phoenicians never left the sight of the coast. They weren't high seas sailors, and there is no record they ever reached the Americas.

Second, there is nothing in common between Olmecs and Phoenicians. Olmecs had a pictographic writing, for example. Why they didn't addopt the Phoenician writting system that was more practical, and that was quickly addopted by another backwards people?, like the Greeks for instance

Third, the roots of the Olmec cultures are in Mesoamerica, in previous cultures that today are better understood that at the time of those transatlantic fantasies were invented.

Similarities in religion exist everywhere. You can compare the similarities between Taoism and Christianism and would reach the following conclusion: Jesus studied in China
There is not a single domestic animal of the Middle East in precolombian Americas. Why no cows, goats and even a single chicken? Because there wasn't contact. simple.

Well, other civilizations burn witches on mass or cut the heads of masses with curious Gillettes and nobody judge them so hardly.


The League should have started by Rome, first.

Richard Stanbery

No, Im not a Mormon.

I do however take exception with that crack. I find it reminiscent of the forced conformity tactics used by such slugs as Hitler and Stalin. Anybody that refuses to swallow the hidebound and much pressed acceptable system teachings is some kind of nut? Is that what you are inferring?

And...dont be dissing other folks religions, either. Im not a Mormon, but I dont like to see them bashed for thier beliefs. I live in America, buddy. Rein in your ignorance just a bit.

Obviously you dont know much about hostorical sailing ships either. Perhaps you never heard of the Kon Tiki? Phoenecian ships were a lot better built than that, and capable of sailing out of sight of land.

And, if you bother to look at a couple of the links posted on this subject over the last few months, or use your search engine to do so, you might just learn something. There have been many links in many threads and differing opinions posted by people who know a lot more than you obviously do about these things. Weve talked a lot about the Phoenecians.

You do know how to use the search thingy, dont you?

whalebreath

Admit it Richard, what you've posted is a load of ignorant garbage, it's hard to believe you've ever visited Meso America let alone the Mediterranean.

pinguin

That's curious. You should joint the church, though. They think exactly as you do. Never heared about the Lamanites?

What tactic? Sense of humour is not a tactic...


Well, anyone should believe whatever it pleases him/her. Now, if any ideology tries to capture for them the Pre-Colombian history of the Americas, then they should stand ridiculization, of course.

By the way, I also live in America. In South America, actually

The Kon Tiki? Of course I know it. Perhaps you never heared about the way the Galapagos was reached by Tupac Yupanqui, or the trade between Central America and Colombia at pre-Hispanic times, following the Pacific.
With respect to sailing skills, Phoenicians were amateurs if you compare them with great sailing people like Indonesians and Polynesians.

Let's see if they know more than me in Pre-Columbian Americas.

Actually yes. That's the way I found this strange topic.

Sargon of Akkad

Since Ramasses describes the Sea People as coming from their isles, and the Greeks just happen to have legends of that time where they sailed to Asia Minor and kicked arse, I suspect the two are probably linked.

Especially as the Hittite capital of Hattusa was razed by them. It has echoes of Troy written all over it (it was incredibly well fortified) and once it was destroyed, the empire fell (it was later remade, but there was a dark age for a time). As we know, historical myths and the structure of them is reused over and over, just given a new gloss.

stmediocrity

Mildly off-topic, but there are some theories that the Sea Peoples mentioned in Egyptian sources could have been people from Asia Minor who fled West due to crop failure, raiding along the way, ending up in northern Italy, they are what we call Etruscans.

Just one theory about where the Etruscans came from. I'm not sure if I buy it though.

Good jab about the Mormon stuff, I was raised in a Mormon family and that BS about Native Americans being Jews always rubbed me the wrong way....then I bothered to research the possibility of that, and well....let's just say I'm not Mormon anymore...hah ha ha.

davu

speaking of mining in N.A. could someone tell me how Native American's did this.

1) the copper culture of Minn. (they seem to be missing 500,000 tons of copper from Canadian North Shore of Lake Superior, Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan,

2) you don't think that pre-christ explorers had anything to do with this.

just curious because with all the reading i have done lately about this -- not one person has come up with 500,000 tons of copper -- boy that's a lot of arrowheads from a culture that used stone in their arrows instead of metal.

davu

i made to previous post with invisible ink in case some agitated scientist who thinks columbus was first might get wind of this.

okamido

Davu, could you try a different font color, I can't read what you wrote at all.

whalebreath

Doesn't matter-it all old bull anyway.