Macedonians- existed, exist - Page 2 - Historum

**Comet** · March 30th, 2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bilbil

At least this stupidity is truth, not like yours lying post that I recognize. Here we discuss is some thing is truth or not.
By the way, I dont know who is nationalist ( nazi )

Let's cut the crap with the racial and political propaganda and let's talk about the history. Like I told someone else...if it's truth and lies you seek go study philosophy.

What is the consensus on the issue in regards to the academic community OUTSIDE of Macedonia? I'm interested in hearing someone else's take on the subject outside of Macedonian and Greek historians.

Ari · March 31st, 2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Comet

Let's cut the crap with the racial and political propaganda and let's talk about the history. Like I told someone else...if it's truth and lies you seek go study philosophy.

What is the consensus on the issue in regards to the academic community OUTSIDE of Macedonia? I'm interested in hearing someone else's take on the subject outside of Macedonian and Greek historians.

bilbil · April 3rd, 2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Comet

Let's cut the crap with the racial and political propaganda and let's talk about the history. Like I told someone else...if it's truth and lies you seek go study philosophy.

Than what should be history ??? lies or truth

bilbil · April 3rd, 2009, 02:17 PM

I am curious what happened to ancient Macedonians accord Greek history and are today live somewhere descendant of ancient Macedonians ?

**Comet** · April 4th, 2009, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bilbil

Than what should be history ??? lies or truth

neither...history is the study of the past...not the determination of what is truth and lies.

**Comet** · April 4th, 2009, 05:55 AM

It's interesting...you both use the same sources, but interpret those sources differently. This is a classic example of why history continues to be studied. We each have the exact same sources, but interpret their meaning in a much different way. This is why there is rarely truth or lies in history because there is usually no definitive answer to a given problem.

Now, in terms of this debate...I with what Ari wrote in one of his posts...there is not enough "solid" evidence to prove one way or another. From what I read, even the ancient sources are unclear on whether the Macedonians were Greek or not.

Here's my take on this situation...just because their was a kingdom of Macedonia doesn't necessarily mean they were their own entity. If you think about America now...we would consider ourselves "American". We have our own country, culture, etc...however, "American" is not a race or ethnic group. Technically, many of us are European in terms of ancestry. So, is it possible for Macedonians to be of Greek origins? Absolutely. Is it possible for Macedonians to not have been apart of Greek origin? Absolutely. There really is no definitive answer and there will most likely never be one.

Anything else you two have to offer to the discussion?

Lord Ragnar · April 4th, 2009, 05:59 AM

I really don't understand. Why are Greeks so eager to deny the authenticity of Macedonian identity? Saying Macedonians are Greek sounds rather like saying that people who live in Wales are Englishmen.

**Comet** · April 4th, 2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Ragnar

I really don't understand. Why are Greeks so eager to deny the authenticity of Macedonian identity? Saying Macedonians are Greek sounds rather like saying that people who live in Wales are Englishmen.

That part of the world has always been a hotbed of activity due to racial and ethnic differences. Think of the nationalistic problems during the 19th century in both the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires. I honestly don't get much of it either.

Slayertplsko · April 4th, 2009, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Ragnar

I really don't understand. Why are Greeks so eager to deny the authenticity of Macedonian identity? Saying Macedonians are Greek sounds rather like saying that people who live in Wales are Englishmen.

I never encountered this. The Greeks say that ANCIENT Macedonians were Hellenic. The people of FYROM are of course Slavic.