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View Poll Results: Favorite Germanic Tribe That Invaded Rome at its Fall
Visigoths 12 13.79%
Ostrogoths 6 6.90%
Vandals 12 13.79%
Franks 17 19.54%
Suevi 12 13.79%
Alans 2 2.30%
Burgundians 2 2.30%
Huns 5 5.75%
Gepids 0 0%
Lombards 1 1.15%
Angles 4 4.60%
Saxons 6 6.90%
Jutes 0 0%
other 2 2.30%
none 6 6.90%
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Old July 11th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #131
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That's interesting, my knowledge of western Roman history tapers off after the split.

From there I mostly follow the Eastern Byzantine Empire until the reign of Heraclius and the battle of Yarmuk.
If you have the time and interest, try:

Guy Halsall. Barbarian Migrations and the Roman West, 376-568.
(Cambridge, 2007).

Ian Wood. The Merovingian Kingdoms, 450-751 (London, 1994).

Paul Fouracre. The Age of Charles Martel (?, 2000).

Rosamund McKitterick. Charlemagne, Formation of a European Identity (Cambridge, 2008).

All very well done.

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Old July 11th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #132

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The Harii must have been interesting to watch in action on the battlefield. Tacitus claims they painted themselves all black and fought their battles at night.
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The Harii must have been interesting to watch in action on the battlefield. Tacitus claims they painted themselves all black and fought their battles at night.
What exactly would one see if that's the case?
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What exactly would one see if that's the case?
It's unlike you to miss wit like that
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It's unlike you to miss wit like that
I doubt he missed the wit. That would have been hard to do.
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What exactly would one see if that's the case?
You have impressed me with your reading comprehension skills, sir, and that is more than I can say for some of our comrades on this forum.
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Old July 11th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #137

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I doubt he missed the wit. That would have been hard to do.
I know. His reply was wit too

Now on topic. What are peoples thoughts on the Marcromanni?
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I know. His reply was wit too

Now on topic. What are peoples thoughts on the Marcromanni?
I've always thought it was pretty ironic that the 'Marcomannic Wars' were fought during the reign of Marcus Aurelius. As I recall, the Marcomanni were named after a Roman deserter in Germania named Marcus, thus the name literally means "Marcus' Men".

They definitely made a name for themselves in the second half of the 2nd Century, even managing to lay siege to Aquilea, savaging a relief army and killing its Praetorian prefect commander in the process. They are almost always mentioned in association with the Quadi, who seem to have maintained their identity longer.

While I'm not fond of the internet slang about being 'underrated' and 'overrated', I'd still consider the Marcomanni a tribe that hasn't gotten the attention they deserve, by virtue of the seemingly formidable threat they posed. In all fairness though, the Roman Empire they attacked in the 160s and 170s was being ravaged by plague; I doubt they would have made it as far as northern Italy under better circumstances.
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I've always thought it was pretty ironic that the 'Marcomannic Wars' were fought during the reign of Marcus Aurelius. As I recall, the Marcomanni were named after a Roman deserter in Germania named Marcus, thus the name literally means "Marcus' Men".

They definitely made a name for themselves in the second half of the 2nd Century, even managing to lay siege to Aquilea, savaging a relief army and killing its Praetorian prefect commander in the process. They are almost always mentioned in association with the Quadi, who seem to have maintained their identity longer.

While I'm not fond of the internet slang about being 'underrated' and 'overrated', I'd still consider the Marcomanni a tribe that hasn't gotten the attention they deserve, by virtue of the seemingly formidable threat they posed. In all fairness though, the Roman Empire they attacked in the 160s and 170s was being ravaged by plague; I doubt they would have made it as far as northern Italy under better circumstances.
Marcomanni means as much as "border (march) men". Compare with Alemanni "All men".
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Now on topic. What are peoples thoughts on the Marcromanni?
They were part of the Suevi; they were represented in the group that crossed the Rhine in 406 and made their way to Spain.
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