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View Poll Results: Favorite Germanic Tribe That Invaded Rome at its Fall
Visigoths 12 13.79%
Ostrogoths 6 6.90%
Vandals 12 13.79%
Franks 17 19.54%
Suevi 12 13.79%
Alans 2 2.30%
Burgundians 2 2.30%
Huns 5 5.75%
Gepids 0 0%
Lombards 1 1.15%
Angles 4 4.60%
Saxons 6 6.90%
Jutes 0 0%
other 2 2.30%
none 6 6.90%
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Old July 6th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #11

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The Visigoths, as they were the first people to begin to create a national identity, in Spain.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 07:47 AM   #12

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I voted for the Visigoths
I'm a fanboy of this people
they had a very complex history
the visigothic kingdom in spain is very worth of reading
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Old July 6th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #13

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This whole process can be traced back to the time of the Han defeat of the Xiongnu. The Wusun were forced out of the Gansu corridor, then the Yuezhi, then came the Huns and so it went for hundreds of years.
I don't think we can really say for sure if the Han defeat of the Xiongnu caused the Hunnic migrations. We're not even really sure where the Huns originated.

I voted for the Visigoths for this time period but the Batavi are my favorite Germanic tribe of all-time.

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Old July 6th, 2013, 09:15 AM   #14

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I voted for the Visigoths
I'm a fanboy of this people
they had a very complex history
the visigothic kingdom in spain is very worth of reading

I haven't read much about them per se. There's a lot on their 2 1/2 centuries of power that I don't know.
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I haven't read much about them per se. There's a lot on their 2 1/2 centuries of power that I don't know.
there are much books about the visigoths
but two books that i really liked

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Never mind.
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Your first rec looks mighty interesting, definitely might consider a purchase.
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We're not even really sure where the Huns originated.
I believe it is agreed upon by most historians that "Huns" are the name given to the Altaic people from the regions north of "China." They were known to ancient historians as Dingling, Dongu, Xianbei, Hsiung-nu, Murong, Tuoba, Khitan, Shiwei, Rouran and Uyghur among other names. The term "hun" casts a wide net. Even the Yenisei Kyrgyz who were of Caucasian stock were referred to as "Huns" in Soghdonia and Bactria (presumably because of their behavior): in India they were called "White Huns", or Hephtalites (the "white" didn't refer to their skin color though); in the east, these "huns" had been known as the Hoa or Hoa-tun.

It is fair to assume that sightings of "huns" came as early as the 7th millennium: the Xinglongwa culture northeastern China, around the Inner Mongolia-Liaoning border represent a Mongolic people Circa 6200-5400, then the Zhaobaogou culture, another Neolithic culture in northeast China, found primarily in the Luan River valley in Inner Mongolia and northern Hebei represent a mongolic people circa 5400-4500. Archeologists have found many other cultural remains which fit what we would expect from ancestors of "huns", significantly we find the Okunevo Culture around Yenisei Valley Minusinsk area as people with Mongoloid features but with a (horseborne) herding culture similar to the IE Afanasievo Culture, these sites are dated circa 2000 - 1500 BCE. Then there is the Glazkov culture of the Lake Baikal area circa 18th century BCE: also racially Mongoloid. The Lake Baikal area is ground zero for what the Chinese called the "Xiongnu" who are tracable well into the first millennium CE. Even later archeologists give us the Chaodaogou culture which was a nomadic culture, in southern Siberia and Mongolia, south to Xinjiang, Gansu and Ningxia.
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I don't think we can really say for sure if the Han defeat of the Xiongnu caused the Hunnic migrations
I don't see why not.

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I'm happy to see that you at least agree that there were Hunnic migrations.

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The Franks. Out of all the barbarian tribes on the list they seemed like the only group that really tried to create an empire that mirrored the success of the ancients. They also set the ground work for France and the Holy Roman Empire.
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The Franks. Out of all the barbarian tribes on the list they seemed like the only group that really tried to create an empire that mirrored the success of the ancients. They also set the ground work for France and the Holy Roman Empire.

I thought of them for that same reason. By the way, does anyone have anything to say regarding the infrastructure projects of these tribes?
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