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View Poll Results: Favorite Germanic Tribe That Invaded Rome at its Fall
Visigoths 12 13.79%
Ostrogoths 6 6.90%
Vandals 12 13.79%
Franks 17 19.54%
Suevi 12 13.79%
Alans 2 2.30%
Burgundians 2 2.30%
Huns 5 5.75%
Gepids 0 0%
Lombards 1 1.15%
Angles 4 4.60%
Saxons 6 6.90%
Jutes 0 0%
other 2 2.30%
none 6 6.90%
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Old July 8th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #41

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My top 3 are: Ostrogoths, Visigoths, and Vandals.

Franks in 4th

Tied for 5th would be Lombards, Burgundians, and Gepids.

The rest I am either not as interested in, or less studied in.

The Huns and Alans were not Germanic tribes.


I love these tribes. While I would acknowledge they did damage to the Roman Empire, I think the real fatal damage came from the overly warlike Byzantine Romans themselves in the 6th century. They ultimately destroyed the former Western Empire except for Spain and parts of Africa.

What a wonderful new mediteranean/Germanic civilization there could have been in the west if the Ostrogoths would have been allowed their hegemony as caretakers of the Western Empire.

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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #42
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In order Franks, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Saxons, and Vandals.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #43

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I like the Aesti.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #44

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The closest the barbarians came to 'humiliating' Roman civilization was by promoting their own, rather ghetto version of it

Historians modern and historical have suggested many causes - overpopulation, natural disasters, Huns, and even greed or sheer boredom - but regardless, it seems obvious some of the 'barbarians' weren't happy where they came from.

Apart from Gaiseric & Co. most of them entered the Empire as federates anyways, or became federates upon their entrance. They didn't want to bring Rome down, they wanted a slice of her pie.
I pretty much agree with this, Salah. That's one of the things that makes this period of history so fascinating.

As for my ranking, I'd say my faves are (more or less):

1) Franks
2) Visigoths
3) Lombards
4) Saxons
5) Vandals

Loose ranking, but yeah.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #45
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None, destroying the Empire is one of the saddest events in history. Seeing a civilization getting humiliated like that is never a pretty sight. The barbarians should have stayed where they came from.
Barbarians did not destroy the empire, they were keeping it alive, when it was already cardiac death. Just remember Theodoricus Flavius Rex. It was not Thiudareiks thiudans or hendinos.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #46
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How were the Huns a "Germanic" tribe? Why are you white people STEALING Mongolic heritage & history? Huns were ASIAN people!

Priscus said that Attila had a big head, small eyes, flat nose, stocky, short and tanned skin. This is clearly a Mongolic description. How dare you guys alter history? What has this thread become? Stormfront? You guys want to live in lies. Be real. Priscus was there. He saw what we did not see. He saw Attila the Mongolic.
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None, destroying the Empire is one of the saddest events in history. Seeing a civilization getting humiliated like that is never a pretty sight. The barbarians should have stayed where they came from.
I agree with you. Because of barbarians from all corners of the world, great civilizations fell or became rotten.

The mongol barbarians stopped China from industrializing and developing into a capitalist society.
The Euro barbarians did the same for Rome. The worst part, the Euro barbarians spread their barbaric nature across the world. Ironic as I am communicating with you guys in English, a barbaric language. I should be speaking Latin, Greek & Chinese!
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Btw, sorry I listed the Huns as Germanic. My bad. I would fix it if I could edit it.
Good. We don't want Germanic clowns running around claiming to be of Hunnic descent. That would be blasphemy.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #49

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I always had a particular fondness for Goths, they are the stuff of romantics, very favorable among the romanticists of the 19th century.
The Visiogoths are particularly interesting because much of their history is shrouded in the historical uncertainty of the so called "dark ages".
And since their kingdoms encompassed much of Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, the most classical Latin lands, our interpretation of the Visiogothic kingdoms era can run wild in imagination and near mythical grandeur. At least in the eyes of a 19th century scholar or nationalist.

I believe that the charm of the early medieval period (500-800 CE) has much to do with the lack of knowledge we have about this particular era.
We actually know more about this period than you'd think

Although the popular imagination does not account for this period of history, the period of 500-700 is much more understood than 850-950, for example.

Until the 8th century, Visigothic Spain is generally the most well-understood (next to Italy) region of the post-Roman west. Virtually nothing is a mystery to us here.

For the period between 500-550, the term "Dark Age" is as bad as using it to describe the 2nd century. Familiarity with the material makes this quite clear- although in our society, popular imagination does not account for this, and knowledge of the period is generally kept between a circle of academic specialists, and here, on Historum

Sources are extremely abundant for this period, and pan-Mediterranean connectivity is very well attested, and lends to our variety of material.

The period of 550-650 is different, in that there is a marked and very real decline.

Comparitively the first 50 year period of Islamic Spain is generally mich less understood.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #50

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I voted for the Vandals. Although the Visigoths as a whole are my primary and largest area of study, with the Vandals occupying second-place due to their short existence, Vandalic Africa is a quite interesting phenomenon of the early 6th century. Geisaric was a true genius, IMO.

Little-known detail: Geisaric is also said to have ordered "quasi-decoration" of the arena, forum, palace, and several other edifices and ares of Carthage with the treasures from Rome. (mind you this is very vague and is only mentioned in one circumstance, unfortunatley )
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