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Old June 25th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #1

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Was Stone Henge Built By Old Europeans or Indo Europeans?


It seems it is easy enough to get the name given to the groups who built it, but I can't find anywhere to which group they belonged.
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I'm virtually certain Stonehenge is rooted in the indigenous culture. I would imagine the beginning of it (~3000 B.C.?) long predates the arrival of Indo-European speakers.
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Yes. It was the native Britons who built it The origins of the site date back to Mesolithic times, but the main development crosses over the Neolithic and Bronze Age periods.

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Let me agree with the previous comments. Stonehedge is most likely older than the presence of any Indo-European speaking population in Britain.
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Let me agree with the previous comments. Stonehedge is most likely older than the presence of any Indo-European speaking population in Britain.
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King Arthur didn't build it for Merlin?
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It seems it is easy enough to get the name given to the groups who built it, but I can't find anywhere to which group they belonged.
There is a passage tomb near my home that is 1000 years older than Stonehenge if the radiocarbon dating that was done on Stonehenge is correct. This would put Stonehenge at around 2200 BC but there is another theory that says it could be older, 3000 BC. We think of migration as being done over a short time but it happens over thousands of years and is still happening. Where does the old Europeans end and the new begin..I don't think it works like that. The seas at that time were like highways with people coming and going all the time. They found a Barbary ape's head up in County Armagh which was 5000 years old..how did that get there? Did people from Spain come to Britain and Ireland with gifts and so on?

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Good stuff. Thanks for the answers.
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King Arthur didn't build it for Merlin?
Nope. Not connected in any way whatsoever.

Merlin is currently described as a 'magician' of some kind, but this description has evolved from his first appearance in literature where he was a druid (in fact, the modern 'wizard' is a cultural icon evolved from druidic and middle east influences). One story has him whisking the stones into place, but sadly no, it was the collective effort of neolithic tribesmen who brought the smaller bluestones from a quarry in south Wales, and the larger sarsen stones from the local area.

Oh yeah. Arthur wasn't a king. That's fiction too.

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Seriously? If so, I can't answer the question either. Trade is possible, not necessarily in one stage, as we know that cross channel traffic existed in the stone ages. It's also true that during one interglacioal period there were macaques in Britain, among other africanesque animals. Perhaps that ape was part of a remnant population? Unlikely I know, but the same phenomenon appears in ancient Roman legal rulings, where one punishment has a man sewn up in a sack with other animals and thrown into water. Obne of the animals listed is a monkey, which is an odd requirement for a period in which Roman society was limited to a small section of Italy. They clearly had access to mionkeys there too.

(Co-incidentially I ought to point out that a 4th century Roman was moaning about how animals were getting scarce - even though his point was that they couldn't hunt them in the arena any more - and he mentions that "there are no more lions in Thessalay", which is on the east coast of Greece, proving that in ancient times the distribution of animals we consider exotic was actually more widespread)

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Nope. Not connected in any way whatsoever.

Merlin is currently described as a 'magician' of some kind, but this description has evolved from his first appearance in literature where he was a druid (in fact, the modern 'wizard' is a cultural icon evolved from druidic and middle east influences). One story has him whisking the stones into place, but sadly no, it was the collective effort of neolithic tribesmen who brought the smaller bluestones from a quarry in south Wales, and the larger sarsen stones from the local area.

Oh yeah. Arthur wasn't a king. That's fiction too.

Seriously? If so, I can't answer the question either. Trade is possible, not necessarily in one stage, as we know that cross channel traffic existed in the stone ages. It's also true that during one interglacioal period there were macaques in Britain, among other africanesque animals. Perhaps that ape was part of a remnant population? Unlikely I know, but the same phenomenon appears in ancient Roman legal rulings, where one punishment has a man sewn up in a sack with other animals and thrown into water. Obne of the animals listed is a monkey, which is an odd requirement for a period in which Roman society was limited to a small section of Italy. They clearly had access to mionkeys there too.

(Co-incidentially I ought to point out that a 4th century Roman was moaning about how animals were getting scarce - even though his point was that they couldn't hunt them in the arena any more - and he mentions that "there are no more lions in Thessalay", which is on the east coast of Greece, proving that in ancient times the distribution of animals we consider exotic was actually more widespread)
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