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Old March 4th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #31

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Horsehockey! The entire R&R lifestyle was based on rebellion. Ever heard of Rebel With a Cause? Remember when they wouldn't show Elvis below the waist? You can talk about the counter culture of the sixties, but the roots for that were in the 50s.
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Old March 4th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #32

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Horsehockey! The entire R&R lifestyle was based on rebellion. Ever heard of Rebel With a Cause? Remember when they wouldn't show Elvis below the waist? You can talk about the counter culture of the sixties, but the roots for that were in the 50s.
No it was based on impressing girls.

If you don't think so, what were all the girls doing screaming when Elvis was on Ed Sullivan?

The late legend and R&R and Country songwriter Conway Twitty said it when asked what it took to be a successful songwriter. He said, write the song for
girls. It didn't matter if it was Rebel Without a Cause or Little GTO. If girls aren't interested it won't go anywhere.

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Horsehockey! The entire R&R lifestyle was based on rebellion. Ever heard of Rebel With a Cause? Remember when they wouldn't show Elvis below the waist? You can talk about the counter culture of the sixties, but the roots for that were in the 50s.

Yes! Let us not forget the beatnicks, who were the real hippies.

The 'Lost Generation' of the '20s puts anything that happened after WW2 to shame though, in my opinion. My view of the hippy generation is also somewhat influenced by how they all seemed to have grown up and sold out (by their terms) since then.

That said, there is alot of hate for 60s generation going on (including by me!), which is a little unfair may be. It had many good aspects, also, though I think that they and everyone else has never appreciated the fundamental selfishness and individualism of the movement.
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No it was based on impressing girls.
Yes, but that was a narrower part of the overall rebellion. If it was just about girls, then why the drugs? Why did the girls so like the James Deans or Elvis Presleys? There was something deeper at work.
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Yes, but that was a narrower part of the overall rebellion. If it was just about girls, then why the drugs? Why did the girls so like the James Deans or Elvis Presleys? There was something deeper at work.

I think guys liked James Dean alot more then the girls.
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Yeah, they (hippy leftist) were scumbags is right. Selfish and hard hearted and foolish to a fault. But I dont want to praise them too much. Thier social lowering effect goes on today among the weak minded.

When I rebelled, I at least knew what it was I was rebelling from. It was from old squares that wanted me to be a money hungry, backstabbing so and so. It was never against any religion of social order or any of the things that make society strong. It was from the plastic people. But I retained the old fashioned values of my grandfather where family was concerned. And too, I wanted to aquire a girl.

Heres to dissing the plastic people...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwZ8I8wOGA"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
But you have to gain an ear of discernment. Not every song is wholesome. But the music was good though.

But, the rebellion of some of the 60s folks wasnt really a rebellion against greedy, plastic, back-stabbing so and sos as much as it was the unleashing of the primitive human desire to be a pig. Ill share a story with you.

I was fishing this past spring when a young white boy came slithering up to me and my grey haired cronies bumming smokes. He had the essence of "ganster rap" reeking from his aura. I could tell from his sagging pants, tatooes, backwards hat and ghetto attire (in the middle of the Tennessee wilderness) that this fellow was an idiot. I didnt have long to wait for confirmation of this.

We began talking, and I realized how stupid this person was that I was talking to. But feeling sorry for him, I opened my mouth and began to open his eyes, as he had naturally assumed that the whole world thinks like he does. I showed him a different side of things, and I believe that he was shocked.

Anyway, he told me that he was cruising for some ***** girl to *****, and he further told me that his pregnant girlfriend was back at the trailer. I asked him why, if he already had a woman (and pregnant), did he want to get another one or two. I asked him if he was going to marry her, he said no. When he found another to shack up with for a while his plan was to abandon his pregnant girlfriend and unborn child. What a winner. I told him he was making a big mistake.

Well, after looking at me like I was from Mars, he explained to the old guy that it was what men did, to be with as many women as possible. And then he made some gangster gestures of some sort with his fingers and picked his nose and looked at me as if waiting for me to praise him.

I told him that this was the dummest thing I had ever heard, and that he should go back and marry his girlfriend and straigten up and be a man. He got nervous about then.

And then I started telling him about Church and he left right away.
And so, America is becomming more and more an intellectual wasteland, filled with persons with the wrong ideas. Liberal college professors are plastic people. Ask them to work without pay as a volunteer professor, and see how many start kicking. Or better yet, ask them to work for minimum wage like the rest of the nation. They wouldnt stand for it.

Hippy trash are plastic people, gangster rapper wannabes are plastic people, politicians are plastic people, lawyers are plastic people, and the list goes on. Im still rebelling against the plastic people. Wheres my Roadrunner? I need to make a statement!

I bet somebody out there is reading this and saying..."Who woke him up?"

I guess Im just too old and out of it to be hip anymore.

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I could tell from his sagging pants,
hold it right there.

I just need to say.

If you wear your pants around your ankles do not ever come near me. It would not be good for your health.

That kids a moron. Being a man is sucking up to your responsibilities, and not *****ing out at the first sign of trouble. ESPECIALLY when a child of your seed is involved.

Thank god it was you talking to him.... I doubt I wouldve been able to restrain myself....

I hate kids like that, completley sickening.
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hold it right there.

I just need to say.

If you wear your pants around your ankles do not ever come near me. It would not be good for your health.

That kids a moron. Being a man is sucking up to your responsibilities, and not *****ing out at the first sign of trouble. ESPECIALLY when a child of your seed is involved.

Thank god it was you talking to him.... I doubt I wouldve been able to restrain myself....

I hate kids like that, completley sickening.
We are kindred spirits, my friend. Rock On!
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And then I started telling him about Church and he left right away.
And so, America is becomming more and more an intellectual wasteland, filled with persons with the wrong ideas. Liberal college professors are plastic people. Ask them to work without pay as a volunteer professor, and see how many start kicking. Or better yet, ask them to work for minimum wage like the rest of the nation. They wouldnt stand for it.

Hippy trash are plastic people, gangster rapper wannabes are plastic people, politicians are plastic people, lawyers are plastic people, and the list goes on. Im still rebelling against the plastic people. Wheres my Roadrunner? I need to make a statement!

I bet somebody out there is reading this and saying..."Who woke him up?"

I guess Im just too old and out of it to be hip anymore.
I don't know about age..I guess you can't change that, but you really need to work on the grouchiness. It's not good for you and when you get to the point about where everybody above minimum wage is made of some sort of plastic, the argument gets real thin. This bile will kill you.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #40

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I have not read all these posts, but I might be the only actual Woodstock veteran here. Its value as a distinct moment in time and a cultural icon is inestimable, but for actual influence on US culture, I'd say it lasted a few months. Recall that Woodstock was a complete accident, more of a disaster site than second coming. In a moment of reckless silliness a lot people showed up for an event expecting to get in and then got stuck. Most of the music was not that good because so many performers were either wrecked, wet or both. The food was scarce and rank and nobody knew how to deal with that many "refugees" who spent several days living in the dirt.

The most important thing that came out of it was the fact that people dealt with being stuck there with admirable pluck. Lots of pot helped. It would never happen again. Future festivals featured stronger fences and heavier security, and Altamont showed the dark side in a way that ended the whole thing. It's one of my favorite memories, but I don't expect to ever see something like that again. When I go to a festival now, people have tickets, security keeps the crowd under control, food and bathrooms are available, bands play better and nobody expects the event to spawn a whole new utopian culture. Something lost, something gained.
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