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Old October 18th, 2016, 05:55 AM   #61

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Just been watching the damned idiot box. Can I go back to my little tent in the lake district now?

Dylan's songs, when I think about it, make more sense to me by far than the media, politicians and even philosophers.
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Old November 4th, 2016, 08:17 AM   #62

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Dylan definitely hasn't written anything on the level of most past winners that could make him deserving of the award. I have to agree with the other posters that said giving it to him was misguided.
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Old November 6th, 2016, 12:40 AM   #63

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Bob Dylan has become the first musician ever to win this accolade so I just thought I would start a thread dedicated to the great man. Please feel free to join in with your favourite songs and observations about his place in history.

Dylan's too smart and knowing to be much affected by it, but he was gracious enough to politely thank the institution. It's excess padding to a legendary career.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 01:15 PM   #64

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I like Bob Dylan's songs, but to give him a Nobel Prize for literature is about as justified as giving Obama the Nobel peace prize! Symptomatic of the committee playing to the crowd.
I agree. I have always thought of Bob Dylan as a poet.. Music has been the primary vehicle for poetry for the last 60 years..
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 05:27 PM   #65
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Yes, most formal versus poetry recently is song lyrics.

I prefer these to Dylan

"The Silver Tongued Devil And I" lyrics

KRIS KRISTOFFERSON LYRICS

I took myself down, to the Tally Ho Tavern
To buy me a bottle of beer
And I sat me down by a tender young maiden
Whose eyes were as dark as her hair

And as I was searching from bottle to bottle
For somethin' unfoolish to say
That silver tongued devil just slipped from the shadows
And smilingly stole her away

I said hey, little girl, don't you know, he's the devil
He's ev'rything that I ain't
Hidin' intentions of evil
Under the smile of a saint

All he's good for is gettin' in trouble
And shiftin' his share of the blame
And some people swear he's my double
And some even say we're the same

But the silver-tongued devil's got nothin' to lose
And I'll only live till I die
We take our own chances, and pay our own dues
The silver tongued devil and I

Like all the fair maidens who've laid down beside him
She knew in her heart that he'd lied
Nothin' that I could have said could have saved her
No matter, how hard that she tried

'Cause she'll offer her charms, to the darkness and danger
Of something that she's never known
And open her arms at the smile of a stranger
Who'll love her and leave her alone

And you know he's the devil
He's everything that I ain't
Hidin' intentions of evil
Under the smile of a saint

All he's good for is gettin' in trouble
And shiftin' his share of the blame
And some people swear he's my double
And some even say we're the same

But the silver-tongued devil's got nothin' to lose
I'll only live till I die
We take our own chances, and pay our own dues
The silver tongued devil and I

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Hotel California -- Eagles Don Henley and Glen Frey

On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night

There she stood in the doorway
I heard the mission bell
And I was thinking to myself
'This could be heaven or this could be Hell
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor
I thought I heard them say

Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face
Plenty of room at the Hotel California
Any time of year (any time of year) you can find it here

Her mind is Tiffany-twisted, she got the Mercedes bends
She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys, that she calls friends
How they dance in the courtyard, sweet summer sweat
Some dance to remember, some dance to forget

So I called up the Captain
'Please bring me my wine
He said, "we haven't had that spirit here since nineteen sixty-nine
And still those voices are calling from far away
Wake you up in the middle of the night
Just to hear them say"

Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise), bring your alibis

Mirrors on the ceiling
The pink champagne on ice
And she said, 'we are all just prisoners here, of our own device
And in the master's chambers
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives
But they just can't kill the beast

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
'Relax' said the night man
'We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/15/ar...mpus.html?_r=0

Course in Bob Dylan at Harvard taught by a classics professor who claims there are many classical allusions in Dylan. I don't think Dylan had much formal education in classics.
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Dylan is a poet who influenced virtually all subsequent songwriters and poets. He emerged at the age of Rimbaud and never stopped writing, never caring about what the crowd wanted. He comes from a long tradition of artists, in the American music genealogy, themselves nourished by classical historical and biblical references, the hobo culture that emerged from the dustbowl, Steinbeck, and goes back to Huck Finn.

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in my opinion, not deserving of the noble peace prize.
Wow. There's an idiot wind whirling around. It's not the peace prize, genius, it's the literature prize, and it may be noble, but it's called Nobel, after its founder. Illiterates criticising the Nobel laureate and committee, there is some irony in that, but it's lost on them.

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