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Old October 13th, 2016, 06:37 AM   #1

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Dylan wins Nobel prize for literature


Bob Dylan has become the first musician ever to win this accolade so I just thought I would start a thread dedicated to the great man. Please feel free to join in with your favourite songs and observations about his place in history.

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I like Bob Dylan's songs, but to give him a Nobel Prize for literature is about as justified as giving Obama the Nobel peace prize! Symptomatic of the committee playing to the crowd.
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I like Bob Dylan's songs, but to give him a Nobel Prize for literature is about as justified as giving Obama the Nobel peace prize! Symptomatic of the committee playing to the crowd.
I tend to agree, he was a good songwriter and deserves to be honoured for that, but giving him a Nobel prize in literature strikes me as a bit of a stretch. Maybe not as egregious as some of their peace prize laureates, but it's not doing anything to help the credibility of the Nobel prize which is, unfortunately, slowly turning into a bit of a joke.
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I tend to agree, he was a good songwriter and deserves to be honoured for that, but giving him a Nobel prize in literature strikes me as a bit of a stretch. Maybe not as egregious as some of their peace prize laureates, but it's not doing anything to help the credibility of the Nobel prize which is, unfortunately, slowly turning into a bit of a joke.
When asked at a press conference in 1965 if he saw himself as a musician or a poet Dylan famously replied “Oh, I think of myself more as a song and dance man, y’know.” Now I don't know how far we could take this at face value, but to be honest I am quite surprised he accepted this award.
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I really admire him, but this is not the right sort of prize for him; especially when he is an exceedingly famous singer from the English-speaking world. If it was someone of a similar kind whom few people had heard of, singing in some less widely known language, I might think differently, but American popular culture (a crude categorization in this context, but you know hat I mean) hardly needs propagating, and this looks to me (as with Obama) as a rather embarrassing effort to be 'cool'. In my view, the this Nobel committee should seek out less writers of execptional merit who are less familiar, e.g. because of the language they write in, and so perform a real cultural service by rewarding and making them known.
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P.S. I see that 10 of the winners since 1990 write in English, and all but 4 of them write in a West European language. Not that judging a worldwide literary prize is not extraordinarily difficult, when one consider, to take just one point, that most poetry cannot be translated at all adequately.
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I really admire him, but this is not the right sort of prize for him; especially when he is an exceedingly famous singer from the English-speaking world. If it was someone of a similar kind whom few people had heard of, singing in some less widely known language, I might think differently, but American popular culture (a crude categorization in this context, but you know hat I mean) hardly needs propagating, and this looks to me (as with Obama) as a rather embarrassing effort to be 'cool'. In my view, the this Nobel committee should seek out less writers of execptional merit who are less familiar, e.g. because of the language they write in, and so perform a real cultural service by rewarding and making them known.
I tend to agree with this and although there is a close link between language and lyrics I see him as first and foremost a musician who had an incredible influence in the culture of the sixties. I have to say he looked most uncomfortable when receiving the award from President Obama. Anyway back to his music :

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This is The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol which Dylan wrote on reading an article in a newspaper describing the case. Hattie was a 50 year old Black barmaid who was assaulted by a drunk wealthy white man and later died partly through the shock of the attack and other underlying health issues. Needless to say the perpetrator was given a shockingly light sentence. The song was penned not long after Martin Luther King's I have had a dream speech and reflects Dylan's abhorrence for the way that black people were being treated and his support for the Civil Rights Movement.

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That's tremendous,
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