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Old November 1st, 2017, 08:39 AM   #11

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It has been on TV dozens of times in the last few years, I last saw it about six months ago.

It really is a film of its time and would not translate--who would recognise the parodies of Curtis LeMay or Adlai Stephenson, or even the whole cold war ethos today? A remake would be out of the question--no Sellars, no Scott, no Slim Pickens. It is like a remake of Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" would be ridiculous--the world is ten times worse than was predicted in that film.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 08:56 AM   #12

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Fail Safe came out the same year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail_Safe_(1964_film)
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Old November 1st, 2017, 07:36 PM   #13

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But Strangelove wouldn't benefit from a huge screen, Dolby surround sound etc whereas an action film would.

As for it's relevance, yes the threat of mutually assured destruction is still there, but the mistrust with East and West isn't, neither is the paranoia. Perhaps in some, but not for many. The world is a much smaller place and the paranoia that either side could release a surprise nuclear strike, or that 'Commies' are trying to poison us is no longer there.

But modern audiences wouldn't get much from the film. Firstly they won't recognise any of the actors, secondly it's black and white, thirdly it's an ancient (from their pespective!) movie and also they wouldn't get much of the humour (eg Sellar's Nazi salute) as it was relevant to the time but not as easy to understand today.

Maybe I'm doing younger audiences a disservice, but as a teenager I certainly wouldn't have gone tovthe cinema to watch a film that had been released half a century before.


But Strangelove is a brilliant movie, and if they could make a modern day equivalent then that would be fantastic; but I doubt that it is possible to do so.
My comment was not about the big screen vs the DVD generation.
I wasn't suggesting a re-make. I was suggesting re-release of Kubrick's original film into theaters.. The film has paid for itself 100 times over.
But you maybe right, cinemas and 8toplexes are dying.

My comment was about exposing the younger generation to history that has been downplayed in recent years with little said about it.

Have you driven by your local 6plex lately? Not much substance. A young girl who worked for me once said, “I don't like black and white movies.”

Come to think about it, does Strangelove even show-up on TV?
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It has been on TV dozens of times in the last few years, I last saw it about six months ago.

It really is a film of its time and would not translate--who would recognise the parodies of Curtis LeMay or Adlai Stephenson, or even the whole cold war ethos today? A remake would be out of the question--no Sellars, no Scott, no Slim Pickens. It is like a remake of Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" would be ridiculous--the world is ten times worse than was predicted in that film.
There's still hope. Currently a new cold war is developing. U.S. Air Force chief of staff Gen. David Goldfein said just last week B-52s might once more be prepped for round-the-clock alert status. This was quickly denied by an air force spokesperson, meaning Goldfein doesn't actually know what's planned for the nuclear bombers he's in charge of - which is scary.

In any case a script for Strangelove v.2 could be written incorporating present-day political and military tensions, just as the original was over 50 years ago. It would almost certainly be a big hit because of all the negative headlines Russia gets on a daily basis. We're constantly reminded how they cost Hillary the election, slickered America out of its uranium stockpile, infiltrated Twitter… If Mt. St. Helens blows tomorrow, it'll be Mr. Putin's fault.

The new movie could even feature B-52s, which apparently will still be flying when the sun burns out.

Yes, Slim Pickens and all the rest are long gone, but that's not a problem, because the new version's cast would have to include every color and gender possible, and lots of PC Statements. For instance, the opening scene might feature a male lounging on General Turgidson's bed.

The one role that would likely be portrayed as a straight, white male would be that of General Ripper, an ultra-nationalist who triggers nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Russkies. It'll require a truly exceptional actor to fill Stirling Hayden's very big shoes.

Let us pray Tom Cruise is available for the part.
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There's still hope. Currently a new cold war is developing. U.S. Air Force chief of staff Gen. David Goldfein said just last week B-52s might once more be prepped for round-the-clock alert status. This was quickly denied by an air force spokesperson, meaning Goldfein doesn't actually know what's planned for the nuclear bombers he's in charge of - which is scary.

In any case a script for Strangelove v.2 could be written incorporating present-day political and military tensions, just as the original was over 50 years ago. It would almost certainly be a big hit because of all the negative headlines Russia gets on a daily basis. We're constantly reminded how they cost Hillary the election, slickered America out of its uranium stockpile, infiltrated Twitter… If Mt. St. Helens blows tomorrow, it'll be Mr. Putin's fault.

The new movie could even feature B-52s, which apparently will still be flying when the sun burns out.

Yes, Slim Pickens and all the rest are long gone, but that's not a problem, because the new version's cast would have to include every color and gender possible, and lots of PC Statements. For instance, the opening scene might feature a male lounging on General Turgidson's bed.

The one role that would likely be portrayed as a straight, white male would be that of General Ripper, an ultra-nationalist who triggers nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Russkies. It'll require a truly exceptional actor to fill Stirling Hayden's very big shoes.

Let us pray Tom Cruise is available for the part.
They had a bit of colour in the original--James Earl Jones had his first movie part in the film., but I am warming to your idea--a completely insane, aging woman President whose serially unfaithful husband is visiting Russia in order to visit a mistress. She also stiifed the Russians on a Uranium deal is supposed to pay back $500 million in personal bribes, so she decides on an excuse to take out the husband and her creditors at the same time.
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[QUOTE=paranoid marvin;2850924]But Strangelove wouldn't benefit from a huge screen, Dolby surround sound etc whereas an action film would.
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I am talking about content not technology.
As for it's relevance, yes the threat of mutually assured destruction is still there, but the mistrust with East and West isn't, neither is the paranoia. Perhaps in some, but not for many. The world is a much smaller place and the paranoia that either side could release a surprise nuclear strike, or that 'Commies' are trying to poison us is no longer there.
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Currently, the bloated Pentagon is an organization in search of an enemy.. give it a little more time.
Cold War 2 point O? Which is reason enough to reflect on this film.
But modern audiences wouldn't get much from the film. Firstly they won't recognise any of the actors, secondly it's black and white, thirdly it's an ancient (from their pespective!) movie and also they wouldn't get much of the humour (eg Sellar's Nazi salute) as it was relevant to the time but not as easy to understand today.
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Ok, ok, the cinema house is a dying format still used by teens for making out, but would you consign black and white films to the dust bin? There are many films, like books that will endure.
Maybe I'm doing younger audiences a disservice, but as a teenager I certainly wouldn't have gone tovthe cinema to watch a film that had been released half a century before.
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Well I did.. Just before the VHS era, revival houses were very big deal and they drew new audiences. I chose Strangelove was an important work and was again becoming relevant. If it wasn't for VHS, DVD, they would still be around.
But Strangelove is a brilliant movie, and if they could make a modern day equivalent then that would be fantastic; but I doubt that it is possible to do so.[QUOTE]
Finally, have you surveyed the current crop of action movies and rash of re-makes? Remove the CGI and you are left with a half page, mediocre, scenario.
The one possible exception is the first Matrix..
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But Strangelove wouldn't benefit from a huge screen,
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Right! Somehow or another, it would be better in it's original format.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 07:21 PM   #18
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Historical and Cultural themes, personalities, images, and icons would all be lost on most viewers born after 1965 who are not history buffs.
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Plus as I mentioned it's b&w; that is an almost guaranteed fail for the vast majority of films. Many people simply won't watch something if it's not in colour, which is why some of the greatest comedy like Laurel&Hardy, Abbot and Costello, 3 Stooges, Marx Brothers, Will Hay etc etc is never shown on terrestrial tv. Which is a shame because most of it is way funnier than a lot of the stuff churned out today.
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Plus as I mentioned it's b&w; that is an almost guaranteed fail for the vast majority of films. Many people simply won't watch something if it's not in colour, which is why some of the greatest comedy like Laurel&Hardy, Abbot and Costello, 3 Stooges, Marx Brothers, Will Hay etc etc is never shown on terrestrial tv. Which is a shame because most of it is way funnier than a lot of the stuff churned out today.
My original purpose was to draw historical parallels between then (height of the cold war) and now. What Strangelove did was to illustrate the folly and urgent insanity of that period and that sorry state of affairs is showing signs of being re-instituted.

Secondly, my point was that films, like good books, can endure and should endure in their original state.


Not re-makes, not colorized, not re-casting but in their original state. This is a personal opinion.
Every few weeks or so I drive by my local six-plex to see what is playing and I am usually disappointed.

Perhaps you guys are right. Strangelove wouldn't survive except in big city sophisticated markets, but look at the crap that is being shown.. What is more likely is that producers and exhibitors go only for the lowest common denominator.. Too bad.


End of my comments. Have at it..
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