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Old March 8th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #1

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Do Caucasian races still exist?


Do Caucasian races still exist?

Can you still get Celtic/Frankish/Germanic/Czech/Slavic people or is Europe so interbred and mixed up that the lines are now blurred?

Can you still claim to be Norman/Gothic/Teutonic? What races are redundant?

I think it may be more 'blurry' in Western Europe.

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Old March 8th, 2011, 09:19 PM   #2
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Did it ever exist?
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Old March 8th, 2011, 09:48 PM   #3

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Good point, but there are references to Visigoths, Franks, Germans, Jutes, Angles and Saxons throughout history. These tribes did have specific features and I think it's fair to say that a typical Frenchman differs somewhat to a typical Swede otherwise sterotypes wouldn't exist.

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(yes I realise he's got Hungarian ancestry but he looks French!

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Compared to:

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Not that I'm a fan you understand...

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Old March 8th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #4

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Every time this question is asked I always post :

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Is that enough of a stereotype for you folks?
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Old March 9th, 2011, 12:25 AM   #5
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First, in purely biological terms:
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Race: An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits.
A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies
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(American Heritage Dictionary)
... There have been simply no "races" or "subspecies" among Homo sapiens all along History.

Then, if by "Caucasoid race" you may mean "white men" (light skin-colored humans) the distribution of human skin color among native populations is perfectly explained by the exposure to the sun light (more specifically to its UV radiation) all around this Planet, as clearly shown in the following map.

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Source: Robert Jurmain et al., Introduction to Physical Anthropology, 8th ed. (2000), page 421.

In a nutshell, any human skin color is just the density of melanin cells in the epidermis.
High densities at the tropics ("black people") protect the skin from the irritant & carcinogenic effects of sun exposure, while low densities close to the polar regions (like ABBA) facilitate the production of vitamin D (preventing rickets and other disorders).
Such densities are determined in humans along some tens of generations of exposure (i.e. some thousands of years), a negligible time in evolutionary terms.
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Old March 9th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #6

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Let's get this straight about race, their are no sub-species of humans left... we wiped them all out about 40,000 years ago.

There is a thing called racist thought... however, but that submerged itself in civilized culture after 1945... got some bad press or something...

The genetic differences between humans are minute, indeed there are greater genetic differences between a large black man and a small black man... than a large black man and a large white man. Go figure!

There are cultures (things people like to do) that we can point to... maybe that is what you mean by Franks and Saxons.
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(yes I realise he's got Hungarian ancestry but he looks French!

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Not only French as far as I know he has some Turkish jews anchestory from his mother side.
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You can definately see Turkish in him.
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You guys seem to have jumped on the syntax bandwagon again, there's a habit for that in this forum.

What about ginger haired people, God forbid, why is there a sterotype for them in Scotland? Why are there fair haired people in Scandinavia and dark haired people in Romania? Is this merely down to sunlight or are they characteristics from a particular tribal group?

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Old March 9th, 2011, 06:37 AM   #10

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There are greath number of Blond Kurdish in south eastern Anatolia. Who knows where they are rooted.
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