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Old March 12th, 2012, 08:30 AM   #301
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Nice post your number 295 but not really "proof" i dont think .you may find this article interesting :-

the dravidian problem

apparently it is only fairly recently that tamil literature has even mentioned the name dravidian ?
What ever proof required I have given in nut-shell. Still if you want more proof please ask me topic-wise(archeology,literary,linguistic etc). I am glad to give. For your kind information, Tamils had taught the world about numerology, Astrology and Art of self deffence(Karate,kungfu).In this subject please visit google site bodhidharma which will give you some light. To answer your post No 299 I would like to inform you that both "Dravidian" and Tamils are the same. To call Tamils in Sanskrit language they call them as "dravidians" visa versa.Tomarrow or after few days I will post the Linguisting history chart of the world please just have a look and comment.
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Old March 15th, 2012, 09:26 PM   #302

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HYMN XLV. Agni.

1 WORSHIP the Vasus, Agni! here, the Rudras, the Ādityas, all
Who spring from Manu, those who know fair rites, who pour their blessings down.
2 Agni, the Gods who understand give ear unto the worshipper:
Lord of Red Steeds, who lovest song, bring thou those Three-and-Thirty Gods.
3 O Jātavedas, great in act, hearken thou to Praskaṇva's call,
As Priyamedha erst was heard, Atri, Virūpa, Aṅgiras.
4 The sons of Priyamedha skilled in lofty praise have called for help
On Agni who with fulgent flame is Ruler of all holy rites.
5 Hear thou, invoked with holy oil, bountiful giver of rewards,
These eulogies, whereby the sons of Kaṇva call thee to their aid.
6 O Agni, loved by many, thou of fame most wondrous, in their homes
Men call on thee whose hair is flame, to be the bearer of their gifts.
7 Thee, Agni, best to find out wealth, most widely famous, quick to hear,
Singers have stablished in their rites Herald and ministering Priest.
8 Singers with Soma pressed have made thee, Agni, hasten to the feast,
Great light to mortal worshipper, what time they bring the sacred gift.
9 Good, bounteous, Son of Strength, this day seat here on sacred grass the Gods
Who come at early morn, the host of heaven, to drink the Soma juice
10 Bring with joint invocations thou, O Agni, the celestial host:
Here stands the Soma, bounteous Gods drink this expressed ere yesterday.
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HYMN XLVI. Aśvins.

1 Now Morning with her earliest light shines forth, dear Daughter of the Sky:
High, Aśvins, I extol your praise,
2 Sons of the Sea, mighty to save discoverers of riches, ye
Gods with deep thought who find out wealth.
3 Your giant coursers hasten on over the region all in flames,
When your car flies with winged steeds.
4 He, liberal, lover of the flood, Lord of the House, the vigilant,
Chiefs! with oblations feeds you full.
5 Ye have regard unto our hymns, Nāsatyas, thinking of our words:
Drink boldly of the Soma juice.
6 Vouchsafe to us, O Aśvin Pair, such strength as, with attendant light,
May through the darkness carry us.
7 Come in the ship of these our hymns to bear you to the hither shore
O Aśvins, harness ye the car.
8 The heaven's wide vessel is your own on the flood's shore your chariot waits
Drops, with the hymn, have been prepared.
9 Kaṇvas, the drops are in the heaven; the wealth is at the waters' place:
Where will ye manifest your form?
10 Light came to lighten up the branch, the Sun appeared as it were gold:
And with its tongue shone forth the dark.
11 The path of sacrifice was made to travel to the farther goal:
The road of heaven was manifest.
12 The singer of their praise awaits whatever grace the Aśvins give,
who save when Soma gladdens them.
13 Ye dwellers with Vivasvān come, auspicious, as to Manu erst;
come to the Soma and our praise.
14 O circumambient Aśvins, Dawn follows the brightness of your way:
Approve with beams our solemn rites.
15 Drink ye of our libations, grant protection, O ye Aśvins Twain,
With aids which none may interrupt.
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HYMN XLVII. Aśvins.

1 AŚVINS, for you who strengthen Law this sweetest Soma hath been shed.
Drink this expressed ere yesterday and give riches to him who offers it.
2 Come, O ye Aśvins, mounted on your triple car three-seated, beautiful of form
To you at sacrifice the Kaṇvas send the prayer: graciously listen to their call.
3 O Aśvins, ye who strengthen Law, drink ye this sweetest Soma juice.
Borne on your wealth-fraught car come ye this day to him who offers, ye of wondrous deeds.
4 Omniscient Aśvins, on the thrice-heaped grass bedew with the sweet juice the sacrifice.
The sons of Kaṇva, striving heavenward, call on you with draughts of Soma juice out-poured.
5 O Aśvins, with those aids wherewith ye guarded Kaṇva carefully,
Keep us, O Lords of Splendour: drink the Soma juice, ye strengtheners of holy law.
6 O Mighty Ones, ye gave Sudās abundant food, brought on your treasure-laden car;
So now vouchsafe to us the wealth which many crave, either from heaven or from the sea.
7 Nāsatyas, whether ye be far away or close to Turvaśa,
Borne on your lightly-rolling chariot come to us, together with the sunbeams come.
8 So let your coursers, ornaments of sacrifice, bring you to our libations here.
Bestowing food on him who acts and gives aright, sit, Chiefs, upon the sacred grass.
9 Come, O Nāsatyas, on your car decked with a sunbright canopy,
Whereon ye ever bring wealth to the worshipper, to drink the Soma's pleasant juice.
10 With lauds and songs of praise we call them down to us, that they, most rich, may succour us;
For ye have ever in the Kaṇvas' well-loved house, O Aśvins, drunk the Soma juice.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:59 AM   #305

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What ever proof required I have given in nut-shell. Still if you want more proof please ask me topic-wise(archeology,literary,linguistic etc). I am glad to give. For your kind information, Tamils had taught the world about numerology, Astrology and Art of self deffence(Karate,kungfu).In this subject please visit google site bodhidharma which will give you some light. To answer your post No 299 I would like to inform you that both "Dravidian" and Tamils are the same. To call Tamils in Sanskrit language they call them as "dravidians" visa versa.Tomarrow or after few days I will post the Linguisting history chart of the world please just have a look and comment.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #306

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Bhali is the language spoken among Budhist and janist and where as Aramayam is the language of Jews and it is the language spoken by Jesus Christ.
I think its Pali not Bhali.

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Yes, Not only India the entire world has one mother language i.e Tamil . But, unfortunately nobody will accept this. Unless untill linguistic scholars, researchers have knowledge in Tamil and it is ancient literatures they will not accept. But some Foreign scholars like G.U.PoPE, CAULDWELL, FATHER HEERAS, Arheologist John Marshall, and Historian A.L.Basham has accepted this theory. More interestingly, if you read Bible refer
Genesis Chapter 11- 1&2. Here you can see the proof that there was a oldest language was existed. Some may argue that this verse tells about Hebrew, but I can give more proof that Hebrew or any other language's Root words came from Tamil
Most funny comment that I have read on this forum by far.

I don't understand one thing. On the one hand Tamil nationalist claim that Tamil or sangam literature isn't reasearched in detail by the scholars. But the same can be said for the Tamil nationalist themselves. They haven't studied other languages properly ,even I can dare to say that they haven't even studied Sanskrit and Tamil properly and yet they are claiming that Tamil is the mother language of all the languages.

One thing that I don't understand is the fancy of Tamil nationalists to proove themselves as supermen of ancient worlds. and in doing so sadly they totally neglect other more real achivements of Tamil people.
Anyway if some genuine research will proove Tamil as the mother language of all the languages of the world, as an Indian I will surely feel proud of our heritage.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #307

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Creation song from Rig Veda :

There was not then what is nor what is not.
There was no sky, and no heaven beyond the sky.
What power was there? Where? Who was that power?
Was there an abyss of fathomless waters?



There was neither death nor immortality then.
No signs were there of night or day.
The ONE was breathing by its own power, in deep peace.
Only the ONE was: there was nothing beyond.


Darkness was hidden in darkness.
The all was fluid and formless.
Therein, in the void, by the fire of fervor
arose the ONE.



And in the ONE arose love.Love the first seed of soul.
The truth of this the sages found in their hearts:
seeking in their hearts with wisdom, the sages found
that bond of union between being and non-being.



Who knows in truth?
Who can tell us whence and how arose this universe?
The gods are later than its beginning: who knows therefore
whence comes this creation?



Only that god who sees in highest heaven: he only knows
whence comes this universe, and whether it was made
or uncreated.
He only knows, or perhaps he knows not.


The bolded part is to illustrate that as an atheist I find this part very admirable that vedas shows sign of skepticism from beginning and an acknowledgement that they don't for sure about creation than pleading readers to take a leap of faith.
Nice post. I especially like the last part.

He only knows, or perhaps he knows not.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:41 AM   #308

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The Vedas were not composed in Sanskrit. Sanskrit as a literary language only came into being after Panini.

The Rig Veda itself is not composed in any language. The 'sounds' contained within the Rig Veda are believed to be the sounds of Creation, as per the orthodox Brahmanical tradition. These 'sounds' were transmitted across numerous generations through oral tradition. Hence the belief of the 'supremacy' of the Vedas in Indian religious discourse. Personally, I believe it is just meaningless gibberish, but that is a controversial stance.
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Thanks.Your laugh shows me the degree of your knowledge
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Thanks.Your laugh shows me the degree of your knowledge
And i dont want to hear your christianized indian knowledge anymore

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