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Old October 3rd, 2008, 09:19 AM   #1

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Suppose we could bring Bach back to life and play some Chopin preludes for him.

Given how comprehensive Bach's body of work was, would he have thought the relatively less-conventional Romantic forms of classical music to have been a bastardization of the Baroque (and let's throw Classical-era in there for good measure) style?
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 03:22 PM   #2

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hypothetically in the most hypothetical sense? assuming that you could return dear old dusty johann sebastian bach to life in such a way that he was unaware of having been gone for 258 years, i think he would listen to chopin with interest but not appreciate the finer points of chopinesque harmony. he may well see it as an aberation of musical 'experience'. its not that bach and chopin have terribly different styles but rather that the similarities in those styles would make chopinistic harmony perhaps appear to be incorrect to js's baroque-based aural receptors. there again, who knows; he may see past all the dissonance and see music as music.

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Assuming they are both musical geniuses, which I do, each after listening to the other would make a polite comment, with a small criticism (so as not to have their politeness taken for approval) then part company as soon as possible. I have yet to know an artistic genius that can tolerate in the same room the presence of another who would presume to be equal to him.



Or to be a bit more serious and echo Laura's comment. They are two creative men who have perceived the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that to their contemporaries were different from what went before. But even though these forms seemed new they were still expressing 'the music of the spheres' but in proportion to their own understanding...that is 'their genius.' Each combined the old in their own way into something utterly new... which was the age old power to connect the seemingly unconnected. If they each had genius they would have found the other interesting but not quite in tune with his own heart. If they were only great talents they would have relied on understanding and refrained from taking further measure.
I think the bottom line is, there would have been no enthusiasm for collaboration.
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i don't think bach would really appreciate [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8LoC3siqIY&feature=related"]chopin's op28/16[/ame]
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i don't think bach would really appreciate chopin's op28/16
I thought she had a Russian approach, heavy with the hands. Or am I out in left field. Get bach to me on that.
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I thought she had a Russian approach, heavy with the hands. Or am I out in left field. Get bach to me on that.
yeah, i think i could agree with that. she tends to be a flamboyant performer and frequently exaggerates many aspects of her playing. i think this the fastest performance of this piece that i've heard (53 secs - wow!) and that perhaps explains the 'heavy handedness' (though they're certainly not sluggish!)

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an after thought:

the piece in question may also be a contributing factor here. watching it, it's the right hand that throws out all the fireworks. the right hand dazzles. however, i think the most difficult aspect of the piece is the left hand. it's responsible for driving the music - its the rhythm section - but look at how far the hand has to travel in the course of two (rather quick) beats. we're talking about two octaves - sometimes more - which might be about 16-20 inches each time. try doing that accurately!

anyhows, that might also explain some of the obstreperous playing.
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