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October 11th, 2009, 03:27 PM
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#1 | | Citizen
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 17 | Noam Chomsky
I've been getting into Noam Chomsky lately. He's really woken me up to the imperialist history of the US. I wanted to know what the rest of the people here thought of him. Like him? Hate him? What's your thoughts about the guy?
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October 11th, 2009, 03:34 PM
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#2 | | Fiddling as Rome Burns
Joined: Apr 2008 From: Hyperborea Posts: 7,048 | Re: Noam Chomsky
He has several guises, as a political philosopher, a linguist, a language philosopher and political historian.
As linguist I can't judge him I don't know enough about the subject. As a language philosopher his theories are pretty mainstream and conservative and bit dated. As a historian his output is excellent, I particularly like his work on the forgotten war between Indonesia and Britain (fought as the same time as the US Vietnam conflict). His politics I always found a little idealistic and naive in the past, however since the demise of the left he's become more realistic and libertarian.
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October 11th, 2009, 04:43 PM
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#3 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Jan 2008 From: Chile, Santiago Posts: 2,831 | Re: Noam Chomsky
Well, Chomsky is the single American that has seen the U.S. like it is: an imperialist country, which has produced suffering on half the surface of the world.
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October 11th, 2009, 05:18 PM
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#4 | | ...
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 24,000 | Re: Noam Chomsky Quote:
Originally Posted by pinguin Well, Chomsky is the single American that has seen the U.S. like it is: an imperialist country, which has produced suffering on half the surface of the world. | good grief..
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October 11th, 2009, 05:37 PM
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#5 | | Historian
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,978 | Re: Noam Chomsky Quote:
Originally Posted by Neophite I've been getting into Noam Chomsky lately. He's really woken me up to the imperialist history of the US. I wanted to know what the rest of the people here thought of him. Like him? Hate him? What's your thoughts about the guy? | He may have awakened you, but he puts most to sleep. Chomsky is a very naive "fish out of water" who should have been sticking to linguistics - something he knows. Politically, he has not had a new idea since the 1960s, and the world has passed him by.
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October 11th, 2009, 05:38 PM
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#6 | | Historian
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,978 | Re: Noam Chomsky
Incidentally, why is this in military history?
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October 11th, 2009, 08:43 PM
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#7 | | Contrarian
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,585 | Re: Noam Chomsky Quote:
Originally Posted by pikeshot1600 Politically, he has not had a new idea since the 1960s, and the world has passed him by. | Well, that's just factually incorrect. He only published two books on politics in the sixties, and they were both narrowly focussed on the Vietnam War and the "intellectual class" in the US. Barely a passing word about capitalism etc. Chomsky's politics can't be considered fully formed, or at least articulated, in their present form much before the late 70s or early 80s. And even then it's not exactly accurate. His most notable political theory - the "propaganda model" - wasn't developed until 1988.
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October 11th, 2009, 10:45 PM
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#8 | | Dominus Historiae
Joined: Jun 2006 From: U.K. Posts: 8,546 | Re: Noam Chomsky Quote:
Originally Posted by pikeshot1600 Incidentally, why is this in military history? | Fair point. Thread moved to Art and Cultural History, although if anyone has a better location in mind, let me know.
Personally, from what I've read of Chomsky, I'm in the "like him" camp. | | |
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October 12th, 2009, 03:51 AM
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#9 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Apr 2009 From: London Posts: 350 | Re: Noam Chomsky Quote:
Originally Posted by pinguin Well, Chomsky is the single American that has seen the U.S. like it is: an imperialist country, which has produced suffering on half the surface of the world. | Half!? Not sure that is enough.
I have read lots of his work, he does sometimes get a bit carried away, but certainly most of what he says is easily confirmed.
Problem is, the average American refuses to believe even the slightest "negative" point about their "great" nation, those that do realise, simply don't give a damn.
Normal American reaction to criticism, is to cast about for someone else to blame, or try to redirect the issue back toward another nations historical past.
Mark
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October 12th, 2009, 04:50 AM
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#10 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 701 | Re: Noam Chomsky
Chomsky's a brilliant linguist, but just another hysterical anti-American extremist when it comes to politics.
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