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Old August 26th, 2009, 03:42 AM   #31

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Re: Who is the best baseball player in history?


I will go with Ty Cobb.

As a youth I would have voted for Ruth (unintentional rhyme), but I changed my opinion with additional research in the long interim.

Probably the most convincing single point for me is that Cobb was the first person elected into the Hall of Fame, ahead of Ruth. Factor in the fact that Cobb was the most hated man in all of baseball and Ruth was beloved by the sportswriters, and still Cobb drew more votes than Ruth. This acknowledgement and respect by contemporaries who disliked the man tipped the scales.
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Old August 26th, 2009, 01:57 PM   #32

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Good points Edratman.
Cobb was a hitting machine and before one game he was asked by writers why he didn't hit more homeruns like Ruth. He replied something to the effect that there was no art in swinging from the heels and being all or nothing. Cobb went out that game and hit three homeruns.
Cobb hit over .400 three times, nearly doing it a fourth time. He hit over .350 sixteen times and held a lot of records that stood for over eighty years. Ruth was a fine player too, don't read my wrong. But Cobb is my man.
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Old June 26th, 2013, 12:06 PM   #33

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Cy Young, 7356 innings pitched. No one else even has 6000 innings. 511 career wins, only one other player has over 400, and he has 94 less than Cy.

For everyday players, i go with Willie Mays, the most complete player to ever play the game. 12 time gold glove winner, 660 homeruns playing most of his career in windy Candlestick, former batting champ, two time league mvp, and the first member of the 300-300 club.

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Old June 26th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #34

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Ty Cobb may have hit a higher average than Ruth, but the Babe got on base more, which is what matters. The Babe had a career on base percentage of .474, Cobb of .433. Ruth had five seasons with an OBP higher than .500, Cobb had none.

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Ya I mean he did kill somebody.
I don't know of Cobb killing anyone (not saying it didn't happen). Cobb's mother did shoot and kill his father as he unexpectedly returned from a trip. She was tried for manslaughter but acquitted. Cobb was a young player, took time off for the trial, and I think had to testify.

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Remember, Ruth, batting left handed, played in the Polo Grounds, then Yankee Stadium which both parks had very very short right field porches.
Per Baseball-Reference, Ruth hit more homers on the road than in home games, 364 to 346.


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For everyday players, i go with Willie Mays...660 homeruns playing most of his career in windy Candlestick, former batting champ, two time league mvp, and the first member of the 300-300 club.
Per Baseball-Reference, Mays hit more homers at home than on the road, 335 to 325.
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One mind exercise I do that touches on this is to ask who was the best all around ballplayer. Ruth's by far the winner on that score, because of his pitching ability.

Leaving pitching out of it, though, who was the best all arounder? The player would have to exhibit:

1. The power to hit in the middle of the order;
2. Ability to get on base like a leadoff man;
3. The knack of stealing bases;
4. Quickness, hands, and arm accuracy of an infielder;
5. Speed and strength of arm of a center or right fielder; and,
6. Toughness of a catcher.

Unfairly, the exercise strongly penalizes left-handed throwers, who would have special challenges in most of the infield.

When I think about this, I always come back to Honus Wagner, who not only had the ability to do all of this, but actually did it all except catch. Other guys who score really high for me include Jackie Robinson, Mickey Cochrane, and Robin Yount.
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Old June 26th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #37

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One mind exercise I do that touches on this is to ask who was the best all around ballplayer. Ruth's by far the winner on that score, because of his pitching ability.

Leaving pitching out of it, though, who was the best all arounder? The player would have to exhibit:

1. The power to hit in the middle of the order;
2. Ability to get on base like a leadoff man;
3. The knack of stealing bases;
4. Quickness, hands, and arm accuracy of an infielder;
5. Speed and strength of arm of a center or right fielder; and,
6. Toughness of a catcher.

Unfairly, the exercise strongly penalizes left-handed throwers, who would have special challenges in most of the infield.

When I think about this, I always come back to Honus Wagner, who not only had the ability to do all of this, but actually did it all except catch. Other guys who score really high for me include Jackie Robinson, Mickey Cochrane, and Robin Yount.
You also described Mantle. Maybe not but he certainly was brave.

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Old June 26th, 2013, 09:32 PM   #38

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I'd still go, stat for stat, swing for swing, with Ty Cobb.

Did Cobb pull a gun on a man? Yes.
Once after a butcher delivered some spoil fish to the Cobb
house, he and Cobb's wife got into an argument. Cobb then called
the butcher on the phone and after the butcher got tough on Cobb,
Cobb took his pistol and drove over to the guy's shop.
Once there, the two men argued and the matter was over when a guy
in the back, heard the arguing and he came out and went after Cobb.
Cobb then smacked the man over the head with the pistol, but no one
was killed.

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You also described Mantle. Maybe not but he certainly was brave.
I guess I should have said, "KNEES and toughness of a catcher." Mantle'd last about a week behind the plate. Clemente's the same way, because he had the bad back.
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This is apparently the top 25 according to sabermetric stats. This obviously has no post-season stats involved as I see a few goats amongst this list. I am also suprised to not see Joe DiMaggio on the list. Have to check his WAR.

1)Babe Ruth
2)Barry Bonds
3)Ty Cobb
4)Willie Mays
5)Hank Aaron
6)Honus Wagner
7)Tris Speaker
8)Ted Williams
9)Stan Musial
10)Rogers Hornsby
11)Eddie Collins
12)Lou Gehrig 126
13)Mickey Mantle
14)Frank Robinson
15)Mel Ott
16)Alex Rodriguez
17)Rickey Henderson
18)Jimmie Foxx
19)Mike Schmidt
20)C. Yastrzemski
21)Nap Lajoie
22)Joe Morgan
23)Eddie Mathews
24)Al Kaline
25)Cal Ripken Jr
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