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Old June 27th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #51

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Without those interruptions, Williams projects for 700+/- homers. And oh, btw.....He did bat .400 in a season. Arguably the best pure hitter in the modern era.
And that is why he sits squarely in my triumverate.
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Old June 27th, 2013, 10:59 AM   #52
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Not arguing against Williams here, but Mays also missed one full year and about 3/4 of another to military service. You have to figure he'd have gone over 700 homers if he had that time back.

Ruth, of course, spent five years morphing from pitcher into outfielder, so you could boost him upward, too.
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Old June 27th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #53

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The splendid splinter has the second best ops of all time, behind only Babe Ruth. I'd consider him to be the best hitter of the last 70 years and second best of all all time.

Career Leaders &amp Records for On-Base Plus Slugging - Baseball-Reference.com

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Old June 28th, 2013, 05:54 AM   #54
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what criteria to judge the best?
Average;
Home runs;
throwing arm;
excitement;
team played for.
you got a group of bests
Mantle, de magio, williams Ruth; Mays Cobb; Arron; Clamente, wynnn
what about pitchers being the best? Koufax, Ford, Mathews, dean; Young
Best player in a world series? Reggie Jackson
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Tough call to be sure.
Ty Cobb has to rate amongst the highest if nothing else but his hitting-which is even more astounding because most of his at bats were during the dead ball era, where pitchers could and would do anything to the ball. Smearing it with mud, tobacco juice, even stomping on it with their cleets. And his base stealing ability was excellent. Ty was also a mean old man and should have been jailed several times for the things he did both on and off the field.

Babe Ruth was the best left handed pitcher while he was on the mound by far in his time. 3 years after the Babe left the mound, he held the lifetime record for home runs, and broke his own record 547 times during his career. Babe was a happy pig farmer in Sudbury MA while playing for the Red Sox and then they ruined his life by selling him to the Yankees. He then became a drunk and died at an early age. The Red Sox will forever be on the bad side of the baseball Gods for that stunt!

Willie Mays was probably the best all around player in his time. Ted Williams described him by saying "Willie could run, he could field, and he hit with power. If there was anyone born to play baseball, it was Willie Mays." I think Willie still holds the record for put-outs....7091 fly balls caught in his career. One has to wonder what his record might have been if he had gone straight to the majors instead of playing in the Negro league at first.

Frank Robinson ought to be considered too. He is the only player to make MVP in both leagues. There's a reason for that.

I am also surprised that Yogi Berra wasn't listed. He played in 75 world series innings and got 71 hits while playing in them. Yogi played every position except pitcher and excelled in all of them. Casey Stengel once told a reporter that he never played a game without Yogi, and called him the most natural player he had ever seen.

Im going with Willie Mays on this one. Ive never seen an outfielder play so naturally and with a grace that defied what he had to do.
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Tough call to be sure.
Ty Cobb has to rate amongst the highest if nothing else but his hitting-which is even more astounding because most of his at bats were during the dead ball era, where pitchers could and would do anything to the ball. Smearing it with mud, tobacco juice, even stomping on it with their cleets. And his base stealing ability was excellent. Ty was also a mean old man and should have been jailed several times for the things he did both on and off the field.
Very true.
The very records that later players were shooting for, or breaking,
were set by players facing skilled pitchers who were able, as you said,
were able to use a ball either smeared by mud, tobacco juice or more.
It could have even been nicked, allowing for a special grip.
Also, the fields the players played on, were not the female-like manicured
fields they have today and also, the gloves and mere time of the day
the game was played, in the hot day, were factors.
For me, Cobb was the all-around player that any manager would want
on his team. A batter could go 4 for 4 with singles, triples, etc, but no
player is going to hit four HRs every game. I want a hitter not a slugger.
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No question in my mind its Babe Ruth.

Pitching for the Boston Red Sox, he won 93 games from 1915 to 1919, and was well on course to be a Hall of Fame pitcher. In World Series play, he set a record of I believe 27 consecutive scoreless innings that lasted until the 1960s.

Then, he changed course and at age 25 in 1920, playing for the Yankees became an outfielder, and was one of the greatest hitters of all time .342 life time average - one of the highest of all time. No one has been such a successful pitcher and such a successful hitter in the major leagues in one person.

Beyond that, I believe Babe Ruth was THE greatest power hitter ever seen in the game. In that first year with the Yankees 1920, in the deadball era, Ruth hit 54 home runs, thus becoming the first player ever to hit 30, 40, and 50 in a season. He out-homered every other team in the American League and all but one team in the National League. He also hit more home runs than eleven pairs of teams that year! For example, that year the Red Sox hit 22 homers while the Tigers slugged 30 circuit clouts, drawing their combined total two shy of the Bambino’s 54. In his 15 years with Yankees 1920 to 1934 between ages of 25 and 39, Ruth hit 659 homers. He hit more than 50 four times and averaged over those years 44 home runs each year. In longer careers, Mays hit 50 twice and Aaron never exceeded 44. Ted Williams never hit more than 43. I believe Ruth's slugging average of .847 in !920 and .846 in 1921 still stand as major league marks. "Nuf said".
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Old December 10th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #58
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Sportswriter Joe Posnanski is blogging his 100 best ballplayers ever, including Negro Leagues and Japan:

Baseball 100 | Joe Blogs

As of this post, he's done Nos. 100-89:

100. Curt Schilling
99. Cool Papa Bell
98. Ron Santo
97. Lou Whitaker
96. Ichiro Suzuki
95. Mariano Rivera
94. Paul Waner
93. Craig Biggio
92. Old Hoss Radbourn
91. Robin Roberts
90. Mark McGwire
89. Bullet Rogan

I guess the big news is that with Ichiro at No. 96 there can't be many Japanese players in the top 100. The other interesting thing (to me) is the infield troika of Santo, Whitaker, and Biggio -- infielders who can hit are always underrated.
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