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Old December 19th, 2013, 04:02 AM   #61
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as for Japanese pitcher, I think Eiji sawamura.
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Eiji Sawamura (沢村 栄治; February 1, 1917 December 2, 1944, born in Ujiyamada (Present: Ise), Mie prefecture, Japan) was a Japanese professional baseball player. A right-handed pitcher, he played in Japan for the Yomiuri Giants.
On November 20, 1934, the 17-year-old Sawamura faced a team of visiting all-star players from Major League Baseball, including Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, and Charlie Gehringer. Entering the game in the fourth inning, the high school pitcher struck out nine batters and held the Americans to a single run over five innings pitched; a home run by Gehrig in the seventh saddled Sawamura with the loss. However, he did manage to strike out Gehringer, Ruth, Gehrig, and Foxx in succession. Connie Mack, who was managing the American team, was so impressed by Sawamura's performance that he tried to sign him to a Major League contract. However, anti-American sentiment was strong in Japan at the time, and Sawamura declined, saying, "My problem is I hate America, and I can't make myself like Americans."
With the formation of the Japanese Baseball League, Sawamura joined the Yomiuri Giants in 1936 and became one of their aces. He pitched the first no-hitter in Japanese pro baseball, on September 25, 1936, as well as two others (May 1, 1937 and July 6, 1940). In 1937, he went 33-10 with a 1.38 earned run average. From 1937 to 1943, Sawamura accumulated 105 games pitched, a career record of 63-22, 554 strikeouts and a 1.74 ERA.
In 1943, Sawamura enlisted in the Japanese Imperial Army. He was killed in battle near the Ryukyu Islands when his ship was torpedoed near the end of World War II.
Sawamura was inducted into the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame in 1959. The Sawamura Award (Japan's equivalent to MLB's Cy Young), which is given to the best pitchers in the League since 1947, is named in his honor.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiji_Sawamura]Eiji Sawamura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Victor Starffin pitcher, white Russian in Japan
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Victor Starffin (Russian: Виктор Константинович Старухин, tr. Viktor Konstantinovich Starukhin,[1] May 1, 1916 - January 12, 1957), nicknamed "the blue-eyed Japanese" (青い目の日本人 aoi-me no Nihonjin?), was an ethnic Russian baseball player in Japan and the first professional pitcher in Japan to win three hundred games.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Starffin]Victor Starffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

]Victor Starffin in this movie 1940
sorry, it is only Japanese language.
For only image of Japanese baseball at that time
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaoCjyL8e24][Movie] Cheerleader of Hideko, 1940 production. ??????? ??15??? - YouTube[/ame]
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Old December 19th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #62
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as for Japanese pitcher, I think Eiji sawamura.

Victor Starffin pitcher, white Russian in Japan
Thank you! The only NPB players who I know would be candidates for this list are Kaneda, Oh, and Nagashima. I'd love to hear of other candidates.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #63
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This is Joe Posnanski's list from No. 100 down to No. 60:

100. Curt Schilling
99. Cool Papa Bell
98. Ron Santo
97. Lou Whitaker
96. Ichiro Suzuki
95. Mariano Rivera
94. Paul Waner
93. Craig Biggio
92. Old Hoss Radbourn
91. Robin Roberts
90. Mark McGwire
89. Bullet Rogan
88. Tim Raines
87. Nolan Ryan
86. Miguel Cabrera
85. Barry Larkin
84. Frankie Frisch
83. Gaylord Perry
82. Roberto Alomar
81. Joe Jackson
80. Johnny Mize
79. Smokey Joe Williams
78. Ryne Sandberg
77. Ozzie Smith
76. Buck Leonard
75. Tony Gwynn
74. Hank Greenberg
73. Arky Vaughan
72. Willie McCovey
71. Monte Irvin
70. Duke Snider
69. Sadaharu Oh
68. Bert Blyleven
67. Harmon Killebrew
66. Roy Campanella
65. Kid Nichols
64. Eddie Murray
63. Charlie Gehringer
62. Robin Yount
61. Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell

Negro Leaguers: Bell, Rogan, Leonard, Williams, (partial Irvin and Campanella)
Japan: Oh (partial Ichiro)
19th Century Players: Radbourn, Nichols
Active Players: Ichiro, Cabrera
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I'm from ireland and even we know Ty Cobb was the man
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Old January 17th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #65

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Satchel Page should be on some list.
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Ty Cobb may have hit a higher average than Ruth, but the Babe got on base more, which is what matters. The Babe had a career on base percentage of .474, Cobb of .433. Ruth had five seasons with an OBP higher than .500, Cobb had none.
Willie May's career on base percentage was 609
Of my generation he was probably the most exciting player to watch.

watch the video Mays had the ball all along He taps his cap just before catching the ball. a habit he did on difficult plays.

Willie Mays the Catch - YouTube
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Willie May's career on base percentage was 609
Of my generation he was probably the most exciting player to watch.

watch the video Mays had the ball all along He taps his cap just before catching the ball. a habit he did on difficult plays.

Willie Mays the Catch - YouTube
Not sure where the .609 number is coming from - no one has approached that OBP. I certainly think he was the best player I've seen, though he was 35 when I started following baseball.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 08:16 PM   #68
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Satchel Paige for me
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Posnanski continues his list:

60. Brooks Robinson
59. Reggie Jackson
58. Turkey Stearnes
57. Roy Hobbs

In 1952, the Negro Leagues were winding down. The black newspaper The Pittsburgh Courier did a poll of people who had been associated with the leagues, and they came up with the following first and second all-time teams:

A Team------------------------B Team

1B - Buck Leonard-----------1B - Ben Taylor
2B - Jackie Robinson---------2B - Bingo DeMoss
SS - John Henry Lloyd-------SS - Willie Wells
3B - Oliver Marcell-----------3B - Judy Johnson
LF - Monte Irvin-------------LF - Pete Hill
CF - Oscar Charleston-------CF - Cool Papa Bell
RF - Christobal Torriente----RF - Chino Smith
C - Josh Gibson / Biz Mackey-C - Campanella / Bruce Petway
P - Smokey Joe Williams------P - Dave Brown
P - Satchel Paige------------P - Cannonball Dick Redding
P - Bullet Joe Rogan---------P - Nip Winters
P - John Donaldson ----------P - Dizzy Dismukes
P - Willie Foster-------------P - Don Newcombe
Utility OF - Martin Dihigo---Utility 1B - John Beckwith
Utility IF - Martin Dihigo----Utility 1B - Newt Allen
Utility IF - Sam Banheart---Utility - Clint Thomas
Coaches - Dizzy Dismukes--coaches - C. I. Taylor
Coaches - Danny McClelland--coaches - Dave Malarcher
Manager = Rube Foster-------Manager - Cum Posey

They were allowed to vote for a player at any position, which is how Dihigo is listed twice. Pitchers are listed by vote total, so that Smokey Joe Williams actually had the highest number of pitcher votes.
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And Posnanski's list continues to continue:

57. Derek Jeter
56. Chipper Jones
55. Ernie Banks
54. Rod Carew

Negro Leaguers: Bell, Rogan, Leonard, Smokey Joe Williams, (partial Irvin and Campanella)
Japan: Oh (partial Ichiro)
19th Century Players: Radbourn, Nichols
Active Players: Ichiro, Cabrera, Jeter
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