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Old March 8th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #1

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Was Imperial Japanese conquests inevitable?


After the Meiji restoration Japan turned its attention to Korea and Koreas attitude was ambiguous at first? After all there seem to have pro Japanese people there, but eventually after some incidents it came to first sino Japanese war. So I wonder if Japan wanted to conquer Korea and China from the beginning or decided to do so eventually after unfortunate incidents.


Edit typo at title: WERE conquests inevitable ofc.
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I guess so. Unless Japan wanted to be way behind the Western Powers I don't see why they wouldn't try to grab at the very least Korea and Taiwan since these seem to logically linked to Japan in the geographical sense.

Korea and Taiwan though had been invaded all throughout history by the Japanese. The last time the Japanese tried to grab Korea was in 1598 and Taiwan in 1616.
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Yes but originally Japan wanted a modernised and loyal Korea for example. Instead of being loyal to China and traditional, loyal to Japan and modernised, but it did not go this way without any problems and complications.

Its a bit like how PRC wanted allegedly a modernised Tibet, but Tibet would not approve it etc. but well maybe its a bad comparison idk.

But anyway, when war against China broke out Japan was doomed to become the clearly "bad guys" eventually, I guess.
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Let's put this into perspective. Japan was relatively resource-poor, undemocratic, industrialized, and increasingly hyper-nationalist. In what possible universe could it ever have behaved benevolently towards the significantly less developed states surrounding it?
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Also about Taiwan I forgot to mention that prior to the Sino-Japanese War the Japanese had invaded Taiwan in 1874 so that is a lot closer than 1616.

When it comes to colonialism a lot of countries slipped in somewhere else under the guise of putting that country under their protection and civilizing or modernizing it.
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Ok, I see, thanks.
Japan gets judged a lot negatively because of the way they conducted themselves during wartime etc. but thats all where the negativity comes from I think.
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Modern Japanese ultranationalist apologetics always use the "well the West forced us to do it, it's either us or them..." excuse.

Yet it's funny right before closing borders (Imjin War) and right after reopening (Sino-Japanese War), the actions they took were to attack Korea.

I think if Japan was attached physically/geographically to the mainland, the Japanese would've been involved in far more wars in NE Asia throughout history than they had.

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Let's put this into perspective. Japan was relatively resource-poor, undemocratic, industrialized, and increasingly hyper-nationalist. In what possible universe could it ever have behaved benevolently towards the significantly less developed states surrounding it?
You know, like its done every year since 1945.
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You know, like its done every year since 1945.
Japan is democratic and pacifist. It's politics are completely opposite to pre-war Japan.
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After the Meiji restoration Japan turned its attention to Korea and Koreas attitude was ambiguous at first? After all there seem to have pro Japanese people there, but eventually after some incidents it came to first sino Japanese war. So I wonder if Japan wanted to conquer Korea and China from the beginning or decided to do so eventually after unfortunate incidents.


Edit typo at title: WERE conquests inevitable ofc.
you forget imjin war and wa(japan)-baekja alliance?

japan want to conquer korea and china long time ago, but always failed, they have only chance after meiji restoration when china rotted from inside
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