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Old August 19th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #1
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Did Japanese genocide Ainu ? 80,000 Ainu dropped to 15,000 in a century


"In the 18th century there were 80,000 Ainu.[12] In 1868 there were about 15,000 Ainu in Hokkaido, 2000 in Sakhalin, and around 100 in the Kuril islands.[13] "

From 80,000 in 1700's to only 15,000 left Hokkaido in the 1800's. Like almost 70% of their population died out in a century. This may explain why the Ainu population is so small today or it would have been at least 400,000 - 500,000 today.

The Japanese conquered Hokkaido in 1868 although it was partially under the control of Japanese from 1300 to 1868.

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" Ainu population dropped significantly during these years of Matsumae and shogunate rule. In 1807, officials estimated the total population of Hokkaido Ainu at 26,256. "

Observations made by Matsuura Takeshiro

" For example, illustrate concretely the dramatic decline of Ainu populations caused by epidemic diseases. 47 years later that number was reduced to 17,810, a 32% decline.[11] The Ainu in the 14th century were much more populous before invasions from the Japanese. Some Ainu oral stories, and the Matsumae clan's documents, recall and record several severe battles between the Ainu people and the invaders. After losing several battles, the Ainu people were enslaved.[12] "
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They did not, but they assimilated them. It happened through warfare sometimes, but on large it seemed to have been peaceful.
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They did not, but they assimilated them. It happened through warfare sometimes, but on large it seemed to have been peaceful.
But it says they were enslaved though. Could it be they introduced the disease on purpose ? there are also records of Ainu revolting against Japanese rule and were punished to death.



AINU ENSLAVEMENT AND WAR WITH THE JAPANESE





" During the Muromachi period (1336–1573), the disputes between Japanese and Ainu eventually developed into a war. Takeda Nobuhiro killed the Ainu leader, Koshamain. Many Ainu were subject to Japanese rule which led to violent Ainu revolt such as Koshamain's Revolt(ja:コシャマインの戦い) in 1456. "




" sometimes it led to conflict, occasionally intensifying into violent Ainu revolts, of which the most important was Shakushain's Revolt (1669–1672), an Ainu rebellion against Japanese authority. Another large-scale revolt by Ainu against Japanese rule was the Menashi-Kunashir Battle in 1789. "



" Metropolitan magazine reported, "Many Ainu were forced to work, essentially as slaves, for Wajin (ethnic Japanese), resulting in the breakup of families and the introduction of smallpox, measles, cholera and tuberculosis into their community. In 1869, the new Meiji government renamed Ezo as Hokkaido and unilaterally incorporated it into Japan. It banned the Ainu language, took Ainu land away, and prohibited salmon fishing and deer hunting. "








These are evidence that they had a intention to genocide them although I'm 100% sure I'm at least 80% sure but there is of course the possibility that they didn't.

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" They were regarded as 'extremely inferior races', as one Diet Member had expressed it in 1907 (Hokkaido Utari Kyokai 19902190).[15] "


There are still painting of portraits of Ainu being enslaved by the Japanese invaders.

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Japanese samurai took Ainu women as sex slaves.
ASIANOW - TIME Asia | From Sapporo to Surabaya | Meeting the First Inhabitants | 8/21/2000

" Japanese settlers commonly took Ainu women as sexual slaves, according to Dennis Johnson, author of a recent history of the ethnic group. "


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" In fact, Batchelor describes the status of Ainu women as: "Ainu women have been treated more or less like inferior humans. The whole life of women was, in most cases, occupied with working busily without a break like slaves. "



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" During late Edo and early Meiji periods, Ainu were often made slaves or 'comfort women'. During this time the Ainu were still thought of as sub-human, dogs. "



Even Ainu themselves told of the same thing. Ainu being enslaved by the Togukawa.

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" Some Ainu oral stories, and the Matsumae clan's documents, recall and record several severe battles between the Ainu people and the invaders. After loosing several battles, the Ainu people were enslaved. "
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For a deliberate genocide it took them very long. And besides this may have been the fate of all the aboriginal peoples who met invaders from China. The Taiwan aboriginals, aboriginal groups in South China .. they all met a similar fate that of the Ainu in Japan.
Japan should not singled out.
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For a deliberate genocide it took them very long. And besides this may have been the fate of all the aboriginal peoples who met invaders from China. The Taiwan aboriginals, aboriginal groups in South China .. they all met a similar fate that of the Ainu in Japan.
Japan should not singled out.
They were heavily discriminated in schools, jobs. The Japanese doctors would cure Japanese families but would leave Ainu to die.

Also in the past all Ainu could speak the Ainu language. Now there is only 15 speakers left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_language

Also pure Ainu is only 300 left, while the rest of the 25,000 are all mixed with most of them looking indistinguishable from the Japanese, Korean, Chinese.
There was definately a identity and linguistic genocide. I just don't know for sure if the epidemic diseases such as smallpox, measles, cholera and tuberculosis was part of their plan.



Meiji Restoration and later


" The Ainu were classified as imperial subjects, whose decreasing numbers distinguished them in public discourse as a "dying race". From approximately 80,000 in the early eighteenth century, by 1873 the Ainu population had decreased to 16,000, accounting for 14.63 percent of the total population in Hokkaido. By 1939, they constituted only 0.54 percent of Hokkaido’s population, even though the actual number of Ainu, now heavily intermarried with Japanese, remained about the same.[14]



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" At school we were teased and made fun of, and when searching for a job, we experienced severe discrimination "

" However, I must add that it was not only mother who denied us of our Ainu-ness. This feeling of self-hate was perpetuated across the island by other Ainu families who were convinced by the government that assimilation was the only way for...... "

" The Japanese government intentionally reduced the indigenous population of Hokkaido to make it more habitable for the ethnic Japanese immigrants."

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For a deliberate genocide it took them very long. And besides this may have been the fate of all the aboriginal peoples who met invaders from China. The Taiwan aboriginals, aboriginal groups in South China .. they all met a similar fate that of the Ainu in Japan.
Japan should not singled out.
the original name of shogun is 征夷大将军 meaning, general who conquers yi(ainu)
this is not the thing in china.
as a result, recent movement in taiwan refuse to acknowledge cai yingwen's saying about han chinese surpress taiwan aboriginals, they demand japanese should apologize, not han
and china do recognize the difference of being minorities since ancient time, unlike japan, which recognizes such difference in just recent several tens of years
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japanese cruel to everybody not just ainu
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"In the 18th century there were 80,000 Ainu.[12] In 1868 there were about 15,000 Ainu in Hokkaido, 2000 in Sakhalin, and around 100 in the Kuril islands.[13] "

From 80,000 in 1700's to only 15,000 left Hokkaido in the 1800's. Like almost 70% of their population died out in a century. This may explain why the Ainu population is so small today or it would have been at least 400,000 - 500,000 today.

The Japanese conquered Hokkaido in 1868 although it was partially under the control of Japanese from 1300 to 1868.

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like i said, japanese were cruel toward everybody, including indian

Japanese ate Indian PoWs, used them as live targets in WWII
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/40017577.cms

NEW DELHI: On April 2, 1946, the Reuters correspondent in Melbourne, Australia, cabled a short message, which was carried by all newspapers a day later, including The Times of India. It read: "The Japanese Lieutenant Hisata Tomiyasu found guilty of the murder of 14 Indian soldiers and of cannibalism at Wewak (New Guinea) in 1944 has been sentenced to death by hanging, it is learned from Rabaul."
The nationalist narrative has long projected the Second World War as a clash between the patriots of the Indian National Army (INA), supported by the Japanese Empire, and the evil British Empire. The soldiers of the Indian Army who fought for the British are immediately dismissed as stooges of the Raj. But the refusal of many who were taken prisoner to renege on their oaths of loyalty in the face of extreme torture also showed remarkable bravery.

After the fall of Singapore on February 15, 1942, 40,000 men of the Indian Army became prisoners of war (PoWs). Some 30,000 of them joined the INA. But those who refused were destined for torture in the Japanese concentration camps. They were first sent to transit camps in Batavia (now Djakarta) and Surabaya from where they were packed off to New Guinea, New Britain, and Bougainvillea.
At the camps, they made no distinction between Indian officers and men. Officers would be slapped across the face or beaten up with sticks for the slightest error made by their men —error in this case being a tired soldier taking a moment's rest while on double fatigue duty, or a sick soldier failing to salute a Japanese officer. Very often, work parties of haggard men would be taken away from the camps to the shooting range where they would be used as live targets for new Japanese infantry recruits to improve their marksmanship. Soldiers who were not killed in the firing but wounded were bayoneted to death.

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