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Old September 16th, 2016, 01:33 PM   #1

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Does anyone know why the European Atlantic countries never attempted to conquer Japan? Thank you.

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Japan had closed her doors to the western world, but USA sent an expedition to Japan that would change that in 1853. The expedition basically demanded that Japan trade and establish relations with America or face war. Japan chose not to go to war, so the west began to trade more with them. Basically, there was no need for the west to invade when they were already getting what they wanted.

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Japan had closed her doors to the western world, but USA sent an expedition to Japan that would change that in 1853. The expedition basically demanded that Japan trade and establish relations with America or face war. Japan chose not to go to war, so the west began to trade more with them. Basically, there was no need for the west to invade when they were already getting what they wanted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Expedition
I mean, in the 16th century when the Portuguese encountered the Japanese. I'm sorry for not saying this.
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Back then, China had a great deal more to offer than Japan, and Portugal had settled in Macau. There, they set up a trading port, much like the one Britain set up in Hong Kong shortly afterwards. Taking over Japan may have crossed the minds of some westerners, but business in China was good, and there were other easier targets such as Taiwan.
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Hello Fernando,

I would like to make some comments here. The Portuguese reached Japan in the decade of 1540, and even if the contacts in Macau (China) were previous the permanent settlement was in the 1550 decade. Let us note that the British established near, in Hong-Kong, not shortly afterwards as stated but three centuries later.

The relations between Portugal and Japan can be consider intense in the beginning, even more after 1581 when the Portuguese Crown had the same ruler as the Castilian one that was established in the Philippines.

The Portuguese first Empire, in the Orient, was never an empire with large territorial masses, it was mainly an empire of trade, control of sea routes and strategic points, that we can consider a Thalassocracy. Portugal had never the resources or the ambition to conquest large land masses in Asia.

So, the objective was never of pure conquest, but essentially of trade and conversion to the Christianism. The contacts were mainly made throw Nagasaki. There was an annual ship between Macau and Nagasaki. The Spanish were the ones that followed and even if Portugal and Spain had the same king at the time there was quite a competition between Manila (that reported to “Mexico”) and Macau (that reported to Goa). The basics can be found in Wikipedia, the article has the essential without major errors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%...ugal_relations

The Portuguese ships were known as the Black ships because the wood after so much time in the see was very dark.

The art of this period is quite interesting and it is known as Namban Art:
https://www.google.pt/search?q=namba...UIBigB&dpr=1.1
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