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Old June 14th, 2018, 06:59 AM   #831

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Aryan Invasion = Achaemenid invasion of the Indus Valley
Aryan Invasion(2) = Macedonian invasion of the Indus Valley
Sanskrit is Indo-Greek/Persian
Homer and Plato predates all Vedic literature
Most likely Illiad was copied from Mahabharata.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 07:06 AM   #832

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And how would you prove this?
Some verses in Rigveda refers to astronomical events of Pre-Harappan period. Historians Professor BB Lal has inferred Indus Valley Civilization as the Vedic Sapta Sindhu/ Sapta Saindhava(land of the 7 rivers), we could find a remarkable similarity between the geography of Indus valley civilization and the Sapta Sindhu of Rigveda.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 07:38 AM   #833

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In India they still rely on Max Muller(aka 1500BC migration) to avoid any over lapping of Vedic period with Indus valley civilization. Aryan migration theory is just the repackaged theory given by Max Muller. The Marxists in India are extremely hostile to Hinduism just like they are to Christianity in the West, they care more about their ideology than discovering the real history of India.
That problem does not resonate with other academics around the world, in which there is a wide consensus for the Aryan migration theory.

Besides, donít Right-wing Hindutva in India also have a vested interest in supporting the out of India theory?
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Old June 14th, 2018, 08:40 AM   #834
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Some verses in Rigveda refers to astronomical events of Pre-Harappan period. Historians Professor BB Lal has inferred Indus Valley Civilization as the Vedic Sapta Sindhu/ Sapta Saindhava(land of the 7 rivers), we could find a remarkable similarity between the geography of Indus valley civilization and the Sapta Sindhu of Rigveda.
BB Lal is not a historian since his education was in Sanskrit and Vedas, though he had done work in archaeology. He is a controversial character cooking up all sorts of Indian history to make the Aryan Invaders look good, pretty much in line with the BJP Hindu fascist ideology.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/57857966.cms
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Old June 14th, 2018, 08:40 AM   #835
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Most likely Illiad was copied from Mahabharata.
Then you must believe that Greeks descend from Indians, how else would Homer have known about stories written in the Vedas, Indians never conquered Greece, only vice-versa.

Indian nationalists just can't handle the fact, that Greece and Persia occupied
India and introduced Language, philosophy and architecture.

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Then you must believe that Greeks descend from Indians, how else would Homer have known about stories written in the Vedas, Indians never conquered Greece, only vice-versa.

Indian nationalists just can't handle the fact, that Greece and Persia occupied
India and introduced Language, philosophy and architecture.
Are you just gonna ignore the **** Alexander's own historians and chroniclers wrote about India? The Greeks introduced language, philosophy and architecture? Then how did the Indians have massive cities and armies? How did they have entire classes of Philosophers (based on Megasthenes?). How on earth did they have large empires without any bureaucracy? You have read of the Prasii and Gangaridai as the Greeks wrote of them have you not, given that you are clearly a Greek Nationalist?

Ditto, for Persia. To say Persia "occupied" India is like saying England "occupied" Europe during the Angevin Empire. One edge of France does not Europe make

Might I also add, that it was Darius who "occupied" India. And Alexander was about a couple of centuries after him. So far as I know, cultures don't go from primitive to Cultural Apex in the space of only a couple of centuries. Oh and ehm, you might wanna read about Archaeology in India. Urban centres have their own autonomous roots, independent of Persia. Its writing, Brahmi, is equally autonomous. Lastly... you keep harping on lack of textual records. Indians inscribed stuff on things like Palm leaf... you are aware of India's climate yes? Do you think such things survive easily?

What we do know is that Indians had a highly complex society when Alexander came tromping in, a society significantly more complex than the Greeks in fact, and about as complex and varied as the Persians. It is fundamentally illogical to presume that Indians did this is effectively a quarter of the time the Persians did.

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The first emperor of India was Chandragupta Maurya , a protege of Alexander the Great who intermarried with Greek kings, He gained wealth and territory through trade with Greeks.

The Indians occupy in part some of the countries situated along the Indus, which formerly belonged to the Persians: Alexander deprived the Ariani of them, and established there settlements of his own. But Seleucus Nicator gave them to Sandrocottus in consequence of a marriage contract (Epigamia, Greek: Ἐπιγαμία), and received in return five hundred elephants.
— Strabo 15.2.1

The Greek sources of Chandragupta are the oldest recorded versions of his life, and mention his rise in 322/321 BCE after Alexander the Great ended his campaign in early 324 BCE

Chandragupta was called Androcottus in Ancient Greek sources, so his name was inspired by Alexandros.
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The first emperor of India was Chandragupta Maurya , a protege of Alexander the Great who intermarried with Greek kings, He gained wealth and territory through trade with Greeks.

The Indians occupy in part some of the countries situated along the Indus, which formerly belonged to the Persians: Alexander deprived the Ariani of them, and established there settlements of his own. But Seleucus Nicator gave them to Sandrocottus in consequence of a marriage contract (Epigamia, Greek: Ἐπιγαμία), and received in return five hundred elephants.
ó Strabo 15.2.1

The Greek sources of Chandragupta are the oldest recorded versions of his life, and mention his rise in 322/321 BCE after Alexander the Great ended his campaign in early 324 BCE

Chandragupta was called Androcottus in Ancient Greek sources, so his name was inspired by Alexandros.
Okay now you are taking it a bit too far,alexander did not attack india because nandas were very powerful and would have crushed alexander if he tried,so india was rich way before alexander,mauryas inherited that wealth and hence were wealthy, chandragupta's name was chandragupta surely greeks called him with different name but that hardly means anything.

BTW this was because alexander sataraps were defeated by mauryans.
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I think when people say that indians did not have written works till the CE have no clue about how extensive the literature in Sanskrit is.
If we take Rigved alone, there is no way that a person can memorise that humungous tome. It had to be written down. That the initial copies did not survive due to the nature if the materials and the weather is the only reason why there is no evidence of writing till later.

Apart from the vedas we have the various smritis, samhitas, sutras etc.

How does one memorise something like Sushruta Samhita or Charak Samhita, books that have surgical and medical procedures, instrumentions and recommendations and pass the knowledge to the subsequent generations orally alone without much change/omission of content? The original Sushruta Samhita is dated 800-600BCE and Charak Samhita a little later than that.

Oral tradition is very strong in India but I am sure all these works were actually written down.
Sanskrit literature is too vast to just be passed down orally without any/little alteration.

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The first emperor of India was Chandragupta Maurya , a protege of Alexander the Great who intermarried with Greek kings, He gained wealth and territory through trade with Greeks.

The Indians occupy in part some of the countries situated along the Indus, which formerly belonged to the Persians: Alexander deprived the Ariani of them, and established there settlements of his own. But Seleucus Nicator gave them to Sandrocottus in consequence of a marriage contract (Epigamia, Greek: Ἐπιγαμία), and received in return five hundred elephants.
ó Strabo 15.2.1

The Greek sources of Chandragupta are the oldest recorded versions of his life, and mention his rise in 322/321 BCE after Alexander the Great ended his campaign in early 324 BCE

Chandragupta was called Androcottus in Ancient Greek sources, so his name was inspired by Alexandros.
You need to learn a little more about Indian history.
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