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Old December 28th, 2017, 06:35 PM   #41

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Beautiful, Specul8. Animals surprise us.
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Reason for this is one avatara of Lord Shiva "Kala Bhairava" have black dog as his vehicle.
Lord Dattatreya, who is considered a sum of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva is always accompanied by dogs. And then 'Sarama' and her progeny 'Sarameyas', the spotted many-eyed dogs who guards the passage to heaven (Greek equivalent Kerberos). Dharma accompanied Yudhisthira to heaven in form of a dog. Yudhisthira was asked to abandon the dog to enter heaven, he refused it. Some stories from Hindu mythology.
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The domestic dog is smarter than the house cat:

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One of our most contentious debates may now have an answer.

Dogs, it turns out, have about twice the number of neurons in their cerebral cortexes than what cats have, which suggests they could be about twice as intelligent.

This finding was provisionally accepted for publication and will soon publish in the journal Frontiers in Neuroanatomy. A team of researchers from six different universities in the U.S., Brazil, Denmark, and South Africa contributed to the research.
National Geographic - Are Dogs Smarter Than Cats? Science Has an Answer
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Beautiful, Specul8. Animals surprise us.Lord Dattatreya, who is considered a sum of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva is always accompanied by dogs. And then 'Sarama' and her progeny 'Sarameyas', the spotted many-eyed dogs who guards the passage to heaven (Greek equivalent Kerberos). Dharma accompanied Yudhisthira to heaven in form of a dog. Yudhisthira was asked to abandon the dog to enter heaven, he refused it. Some stories from Hindu mythology.

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Mortal dogs receive a striking degree of attention in the "legal" (ddg) books of the Avesta, notably in the Vidvdd and the almost wholly lost Duzd-sar-nizad, the contents of which are known from Dnkard (q.v.) 8.



The two chief categories of dog (Vd. 13.8 and passim; Ard Wrz nmag 48.4) are the herd dog (pasu.haurva, lit., "cattle protecting"; Pahl. sag ubnn) and house dog (vi.haurva, lit. "house protecting"; Pahl. sag mnbnn). Their duties only are defined (Vd. 13.17-18). To them are added the vohunazga (Vd. 13.8), which other Avestan and Pahlavi contexts suggest was a masterless dog, loosely attached to the local community; and finally the tauruna (Vd. 13.15), apparently a young dog (linked by a simile with a youth who has put on the sacred girdle; Vd. 13.23), presumably not yet trained.


Gratitude is required of men toward the herd and house dog, for Ahura Mazd (q.v.) is represented as declaring: "No house would stand *firmly founded* for me on the Ahura-created earth were there not my herd dog or house dog" (nit m nmnəm vt hitənti zam paiti ahuratam yezi m nit ; Vd. 13.49).

Responsibility toward dogs is repeatedly linked with responsibility toward humans. In the Husprm Nask the proper quantities of food are listed for man, woman, child, and the three kinds of dogs (Dnkard 8.37.1). A sick dog is to be looked after as carefully as a sick person (Vd. 13.35), a bitch in whelp as solicitously as a woman with child (Vd. 15.19). Puppies are to be cared for for six months, children for seven years (Vd. 15.45).

There is a partly playful account of how the dog combines the characteristics of eight kinds of people (Vd. 13.44-48), and a description of him as created by Ahura Mazd "self-clothed, self-shod, alertly watchful, sharp-toothed, sharing the food of men, to watch over (man's) possessions"

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the original version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_uKJijBbuY at about 3 minutes in, a confrontation between a wolf pack and a brown bear.
hunting wild boar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa1ls7le_xo And the modern edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te4kYJiJLhk A modern bear hunt in Bulgaria using dogs -- one can easily consider the scenario using spears rather than guns. The fact is that wolves will coordinate and getting a pup to allow one to be "part of the pack" is the easiest line to domestication / partnership. they made it significantly easier to hunt (just having a single puppy to flush rabbits into a net would have been a big plus for a hunting/ gathering group). Further, at night, they can hear, and smell better than we can and their night vision is a bit better -- making them very useful sentries for the camp.

and for that missed shot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZRzRWEhs_o 13 minute video. Dog tracking a deer after heavy rain.
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All cats also are descended from the ones domesticated in Middle East / Near East. Evidence for this comes from the field of genetics in which 11,000 cats across the world were tested.

They were probably useful against rats who ate up stored food-grains in human habitations.

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Dog domestication happened just once, ancient DNA study suggests
Like pups worrying over a bone, debate over when — and how many times — dogs were tamed continues

BY TINA HESMAN SAEY 11:18AM, JULY 18, 2017

People and pooches may have struck up a lasting friendship after just one try, a new genetic study suggests.

New data from ancient dogs indicates that dogs became distinct from wolves between 20,000 and 40,000 years ago, researchers report July 18 in Nature Communications. Dogs then formed genetically distinct eastern and western groups 17,000 to 24,000 years ago, the researchers calculate. That timing and other genetic data point to dogs being domesticated just once.

That idea contrasts with a hypothesis put forward last year that dogs were domesticated separately in Europe and East Asia, with the Asian dogs eventually replacing the European mutts (SN: 7/9/16, p. 15).

Scientists agree that dogs stem from wolves, but where, when and how many times dogs were domesticated — passing down tameness and other traits over generations — has been rethought many times in the last few years (SN: 7/8/17, p. 20).

The new study “puts dog origins into one time and place again. That’s really important,” says Peter Savolainen, an evolutionary geneticist at KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm who was not involved in either study. These new data indicate “there’s a single origin, and it wasn’t in Europe,” says Savolainen, a proponent of an East Asian origin of dogs...
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Specul, that is highly interesting.
Thanks to Lowell2 nd Scaeva too for information.

* Though I am not a dog or cat person (Brahmin, purity).
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Mortal dogs receive a striking degree of attention in the "legal" (ddg) books of the Avesta, notably in the Vidvdd and the almost wholly lost Duzd-sar-nizad, the contents of which are known from Dnkard (q.v.) 8.



The two chief categories of dog (Vd. 13.8 and passim; Ard Wrz nmag 48.4) are the herd dog (pasu.haurva, lit., "cattle protecting"; Pahl. sag ubnn) and house dog (vi.haurva, lit. "house protecting"; Pahl. sag mnbnn). Their duties only are defined (Vd. 13.17-18). To them are added the vohunazga (Vd. 13.8), which other Avestan and Pahlavi contexts suggest was a masterless dog, loosely attached to the local community; and finally the tauruna (Vd. 13.15), apparently a young dog (linked by a simile with a youth who has put on the sacred girdle; Vd. 13.23), presumably not yet trained.


Gratitude is required of men toward the herd and house dog, for Ahura Mazd (q.v.) is represented as declaring: "No house would stand *firmly founded* for me on the Ahura-created earth were there not my herd dog or house dog" (nit m nmnəm vt hitənti zam paiti ahuratam yezi m nit ; Vd. 13.49).

Responsibility toward dogs is repeatedly linked with responsibility toward humans. In the Husprm Nask the proper quantities of food are listed for man, woman, child, and the three kinds of dogs (Dnkard 8.37.1). A sick dog is to be looked after as carefully as a sick person (Vd. 13.35), a bitch in whelp as solicitously as a woman with child (Vd. 15.19). Puppies are to be cared for for six months, children for seven years (Vd. 15.45).

There is a partly playful account of how the dog combines the characteristics of eight kinds of people (Vd. 13.44-48), and a description of him as created by Ahura Mazd "self-clothed, self-shod, alertly watchful, sharp-toothed, sharing the food of men, to watch over (man's) possessions"

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Rig Veda Samhita and Avesta are closely related. But I dont remember reading so much about dogs in Rig Veda Samhita as you have quoted from Avesta.

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Dharma assuming the form of a dog and following Yudhishthira. Dattatreya accompanied by dogs. Sarama creating Milky Way galaxy by vomiting the milk given to her by the demons of darkness. Sarama helping Indra to find Sun kept imprisoned in a cave. Sarama guarding the entrance of heaven with her progeny, the Sarameyas. Once the dog (Sirius) was let loose on the 'mriga' (antelope, Orion). New Year and Seasons awakening with Dog (Shvana - Star Sirius), we too have a lot on dogs.

सुपर्णा एत आसते मध्य आरोधने दिवः l
ते सेधन्ति पथो वृकं तरन्तं यह्वतीरपो वित्तं मे अस्य रोदसी ll

suparṇā eta āsate madhya ārodhane divaḥ l
te sedhanti patho vṛkaṃ tarantaṃ yahvatīrapo vittaṃ me asya rodasī ll

High in the mid ascent of heaven those Birds of beauteous pinion sit.
Back from his path they drive the wolf as he would cross the restless floods. Mark this my woe, ye Earth and Heaven.

http://sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01105.htm, verse 11

Meaning of the verse: If so, Sayana's explanation of Rig. 1.105.11 appears to be more probable than that of Yaska. It is in fact a description of the dog (star - Sirius) appearing in the east after crossing "the eternal waters of Yamaloka, and then being immediately lost in the rays of the sun, which rising after it, had to push the wild dog out of his way."

सुषुप्वांस ऋभवस्तदप्र्छतागोह्य क इदं नो अबूबुधत l
श्वानं बस्तो बोधयितारमब्रवीत सम्वत्सर इदमद्या व्यख्यत ll

suṣupvāṃsa ṛbhavastadapṛchatāghohya ka idaṃ no abūbudhat l
śvānaṃ basto bodhayitāramabravīta samvatsara idamadyā vyakhyata ll

When you had slept your fill, you Ṛibhus, thus you asked, O you whom naught may hide (sun), who now hath wakened us?
The goat declared the hound to be your wakener. That day, in a full year, you first opened your eyes.

Rig Veda: Rig-Veda Book 1: HYMN CLXI. ?bhus., verse 13

Meaning of the verse: Here the Ribhus (Seasons), awakened from their sleep and rest for twelve days (Dvadashaha), ask the sun "Agohya ! Who is it that awakened us ?" The goat (sun) replies that it is the "hound (dog star - Sirius)."

Thanks to Tilak and his books (one from Arctic Home in Vedas, the other from Orion) for the quotes. That was about 4,000 BC or some time later when the year began with sun rising on the day of vernal equinox in the asterism of Orion.

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Thanks Aupmanyav, I had forgotten about the references to Sarama etc. Rajeev
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