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Old March 21st, 2010, 02:52 PM   #1

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This came up in the news -

New Finding Puts Origins of Dogs in Middle East

Here's a bit from the end of the article -

"They may also have been the first major item of inherited wealth, preceding cattle, and so could have laid the foundations for the gradations of wealth and social hierarchy that differentiated settled groups from the egalitarianism of their hunter-gatherer predecessors. Notions of inheritance and ownership, Dr. Driscoll said, may have been prompted by the first dogs to permeate human society, laying an unexpected track from wolf to wealth."

So, dogs were wealth before cattle? Interesting.
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Thanks for sharing this fascinating research with us, L:
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Old March 21st, 2010, 05:46 PM   #3

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Thank-you, sylla1. I couldn't figure out how to get that chart onto the board.
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And to think, all cats & dogs are wiped out in a plague and man turns to apes as replacements.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 01:59 AM   #5

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Yes, I heard of it on the radio here, as our prof. Eli Gefen from the Tel Aviv University was part of the research team, so they interviewed him continuously (or rather interrupted him continuously - he never got a whole sentence out! journalists!).

Very interesting. For a while there was a debate here with some saying that it was from wolf and other claiming jackals were the ancestors of dogs. Now it is resolved scientifically.
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Yes, I heard of it on the radio here, as our prof. Eli Gefen from the Tel Aviv University was part of the research team, so they interviewed him continuously (or rather interrupted him continuously - he never got a whole sentence out! journalists!).

Very interesting. For a while there was a debate here with some saying that it was from wolf and other claiming jackals were the ancestors of dogs. Now it is resolved scientifically.

I thought it has been known for some time that dogs were descended from wolves? They are even capable of interbreeding, or at least I was under that impression.
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Dogs have been our constant companions for the last 15,000 years or so!
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"Dogs could have been the sentries that let hunter gatherers settle without fear of surprise attack."

Yes this makes all the sense in the world.
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I thought it has been known for some time that dogs were descended from wolves? They are even capable of interbreeding, or at least I was under that impression.
I thought so too. But was thwarted by some professor calmly stating that there were two "schools of thought" on this. I didn't really mind, but thought to myself that it sounded more like wolves. Turns out that was true.
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Dogs and humans evolved synergistically, in other words each contributed to the other's evolution. Humans were ( and are) slobs. Our primitive ancestors left bones and scraps around camp. Wolves came to eat the scraps. We killed the mean ones and after a long time of this type of selection the wolves visiting our camp became more and more mellow and eventually became dogs. And those dogs became pets. The dog's nose became one of our tools for survival. The dog would warn us of predators. This freed up space in our skull from being dedicated to smell. The new area could be used to expand our brain and intellectual complexity. One can therefore say," We are smart because we are slobs!"
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