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Old November 17th, 2016, 12:03 AM   #1
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Yayoi Japanese genocide the Jomon Emishi


Today there is not one single Emishi left. They've been long extinct by the Japanese ( Yamato ) invaders who had 30 years war with Ainu. The Japanese are essentially Chinese/Korean ( with slight Jomon influence) while Emishi were pure Jomon and predominant Jomon , both of them are complete two different races.


The Japanese migrated from Southern Japan , eliminated/absorbed the the Jomon from the South from two thousand years ago and a thousand year later conquered Northern Japan from the Emishi (this happened around 800 AD )

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What is now northern Japan used to belong to the Emishi lands. Hokkaido belong to the Ainu lands. They were both ethnically related and both suffer similar fates. Ainu 80,000 population shrunk to only 25,000 and most of them today are mixed and look like your typical Chinese/Korean. The Emishi on the other hand are now completely extinct, they used to have a recorded population of 30,000 - 100,000 in different periods of time, there is not one single Emishi alive today unlike the Ainu who still have a few hundreds (in it's pure form).

Emishi lands 1000 AD , it was also a Emishi state.
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Who are the Emishis ?

A very interesting race of people.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emishi


THEIR ORIGINS

" The origin of the Emishi is unknown, but they are believed to have descended from the Jōmon people. The first mention of them in literature dates to AD 400,[citation needed] in which they are mentioned as "the hairy people" from the Chinese records. Some Emishi tribes resisted the rule of the Japanese Emperors during the late Nara and early Heian periods (7th–10th centuries AD). Scholars believe that they were natives of northern Honshū and were descendants of those who developed the Jōmon culture in that region. They are thought to have been related to the Ainu. "



THEIR EXTINCTION

"The Matsumae clan were of Yamato descent like other ethnic Japanese people, whereas the Emishi of northern Honshu where a distinctive group related to the Ainu. The Emishi were conquered and integrated into the Japanese state dating back as far as the 8th century, and as result began to lose their distinctive culture and ethnicity as they became minorities. By the time the Matsumae clan ruled over the Ainu most of the Emishi were ethnically mixed and physically closer to Japanese than they were to Ainu. This dovetails nicely with the "transformation" theory that native Jōmon peoples changed gradually with the infusion of Yayoi immigrants into the Tōhoku rather than the "replacement" theory which posits that one population (Jōmon) was replaced by another (Yayoi).[6] "




EMISHI WERE SLAVES, VASSALS TO THE JAPANESE

They submitted to Japanese rule losing the 30 years war with the Yamato

Emishi paying homage to Prince Shotoku. Produced in 1324, based on Shotokutaishi e-den e-maki, made in 1069.

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Emishi warriors ( 21st century illustrations )

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The Japanese are essentially Chinese/Korean ( with slight Jomon influence) while Emishi were pure Jomon and predominant Jomon , both of them are complete two different races.
Gross simplification, Japanese are neither Chinese nor Korean. Also Jomon is not an etnic label, but an archeological culture. Under the label of Jomon there could have been present a myriad of cultures and peoples about which we have no extant records.

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Emishi never formed an organized state, until the end they were divided into a number of tribes.
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Gross simplification, Japanese are neither Chinese nor Korean. Also Jomon is not an etnic label, but an archeological culture. Under the label of Jomon there could have been present a myriad of cultures and peoples about which we have no extant records.
Japanese are neither Chinese or Korean in the modern sense of the term. But most modern Japanese nowadays trace their origins on the early Yayoi farmers that arrived in Japan and originally came from the lands that nowadays are part of China and Korea.

Yes, Jomon is not an ethnic label since it is assumed they were pretty diverse culturally, linguistically and even technologically. But it is certain that the "Jomon peoples" all share more or less a common origin - they are the direct descendants of the first Homo sapiens that reached East Asia, and they phenotypically differed pretty much from the later mongoloid-looking farmers that arrived in Japan during the Neolithic period.

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The Emishi were not "genocided" in the sense they were not massively prosecuted by the Yamato polities, were not victims of great massacres, and weren't killed off by massive famines and epidemics caused by human activity.

They disappeared slowly by absortion to the Yamato culture and by intermarriage with Yamato peoples. Modern Japanese people as a all still have one-third of their genetic data tracing to the ancient Jomon peoples.

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The Emishi were not "genocided" in the sense they were not massively prosecuted by the Yamato polities, were not victims of great massacres, and weren't killed off by massive famines and epidemics caused by human activity.

They disappeared slowly by absortion to the Yamato culture and by intermarriage with Yamato peoples. Modern Japanese people as a all still have one-third of their genetic data tracing to the ancient Jomon peoples.
On the subject, Eimishi were also mixed with Yayoi settlers and they never really formed an singular entity, political or otherwise, on the subject of the end of the eimishi as a polical entity rival to Japan on Honshu I can recommend this site, which have the bonus to come with really nice illustrations.

This could maybe help the confusion that the OP seems to have between Jomon Emishi Ainu etc.. : Who Were the Emishi?
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On the subject, Eimishi were also mixed with Yayoi settlers and they never really formed an singular entity, political or otherwise, on the subject of the end of the eimishi as a polical entity rival to Japan on Honshu I can recommend this site, which have the bonus to come with really nice illustrations.

This could maybe help the confusion that the OP seems to have between Jomon Emishi Ainu etc.. : Who Were the Emishi?
Your link confirms what I've been saying all along. The Emishi were a diverse bunch of people and could not accurately be described as a single ethnic group, but they surely weren't part of the Yamato culture, ence the Yamato classifying them as a different group then themselves and as "Barbarians".

But one thing is certain - the Emishi in general, both in their culture and their physical features, exhibited strong affinities with the ancient "Jomon peoples", whereas the Yamato peoples were more closer to the Yayoi group.

The author of your link got some information wrong: the Jomon are not related to the Austronesians. Austronesian is a language group originally spoken by the people that inhabited southern China and the island of Taiwan during the Neolithic period and they only started to spread in other parts of Asia during the historical period - there's no way they inhabited the Japanese archipelago during the Palaeolithic period. I think the author meant "Australoid" instead of "Austronesian".
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The Emishi were conquered and integrated into the Japanese state
Emphasis mine.

Assimilation =/=genocide.
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Emphasis mine.

Assimilation =/=genocide.
But could be considered cultural and/or identity genocide, similar to what the Dalai Lama is accusing China of in Tibet.

Regardless, historical peoples would not have had such terms to describe what was happening to them, or the political awareness to understand them.
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You are essentializing the Emishis, and thus falsifying information

First of all, you cannot call them a "race."

Second, they cannot traced back directly to Jomon, a term that was not prevalently used in medieval Japan, rather than Kofun era people living in northern Japan.

Third, they did not become "extinct."

Fourth, they were not "slaves."

You are erroneously attributing to them your own skewed view of them.
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