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Old January 11th, 2017, 04:25 AM   #251

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lol, he aver wanted a secular Pakistan, people like you take those speeches too seriously, remember direct action day ?
You are so embarassing yourself. Please give it a break or are you a false flagger?


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I think we can all agree that far more nonsense goes on in the UK than in the USA.


Why drive division Junius?

Why not respect both India and Pakistan...they are both nuclear powered countries filled with hospitable people.
Bravo ! Thank you, sir. Some sanity and reason around here.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 05:31 AM   #252

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I agree with you that Jinnah at times espoused a secular vision of Pakistan, but by the 80s there was a concerted effort by the state to corrupt his legacy and twist it to championing the cause of Islam (something Jinnah was never that big about tbh).
He was western educated so he may have wanted Western style secular democracy for Pakistan but the Muslim League he was leading was full of anti-Hindu hardliners and so was his political career. Never to forget his role in inciting Direct Action Day(Great Calcutta Killings) and the Noakhali massacre all done by Muslim league cadre, when his partymen were in 7th sky after winning the assembly election in Bengal.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 05:35 AM   #253

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wrong, India was not Founded, it was created by British people, not even by King or queens but by a Company.
Vasco da Gama and Columbus were not looking for planet mars when they first set voyage to discover India. Majority of India was ruled by Marathas when British first annexed Bengal. British just fished in troubled water when India was seeing the transition from Mughal rule to pan-India Maratha rule and got involved in further disintegration of India by indulging in further regional feuds.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 06:00 AM   #254

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lol, he aver wanted a secular Pakistan, people like you take those speeches too seriously, remember direct action day ?
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Oh, you mean Qaid-e-Azam was lying, fooling people!
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Old January 11th, 2017, 07:11 AM   #255

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lol, he aver wanted a secular Pakistan, people like you take those speeches too seriously, remember direct action day ?

A. I said at times

B. Jinnah was personally a pretty secular man. He wasn't on board with most of the religious right, and one of the scholarly views of his actions sees fear of Hindu domination more than zeal for a Muslim State.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 07:14 AM   #256

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No it is not.Yours is a very subjective conclusion. In 1980s through to 1990s militancy in Indian was far worse. As much as it woud have been wrong to condemn India then it is wrong today to do the same for Pakistan. Who knows what next decade will bring. As of now the militancy is begining to subside and incidents went down by 80% last year. Border districts on the Afghan border which were cause of so much problems have been pacified by two years of intense operations.
A. I was talking about the current situation. The 80s wasn't as bad as you appear to think, but it wasn't all sunshine and roses, either.

B. I may be wrong about the last 5 years. Most of what I know about Pakistan dates from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan until around a few years after Musharraf's fall.
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Oh, you mean Qaid-e-Azam was lying, fooling people!
He was certainly not lying but he was certainly communal minded particularly his prejudice against Hindus.
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