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Old January 4th, 2017, 07:48 PM   #11

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This Bahadur Shah was a proud descendant of brutal semi-civilized Muslims who invaded India to plunder, and stayed on to live of the loot, as parasites and leeches. The legacy of the Mughal rule is Pakistan, the eternal enemy of India. Here in the picture, Indian President, a Sikh whose religion was founded to fight against the atrocities committed against Indians by such Muslim conquerors, pray at his grave. The picture is surreal and makes no sense.
This post is like as if we get a cool breeze of fresh air in the Indian summer. Yes, all Muslims in India should be killed, there women should be raped and their kids should be sold to kiln-owners to make some good bricks.

That is exactly the sentiments British 'used' for their benefits. Sikh troops were instigated that this is the golden chance to fight against 'Mughals' and to revenge the atrocities committed by Muslim conquerors centuries ago. And there you go, Indians killed the Indians and British got the cake... Anyways because of this Indians also got a golden chance to learn English, then they scored good marks in TOEFL and finally were able to migrate to USA, the Brahmavrata. _/|\_
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Old January 4th, 2017, 10:55 PM   #12

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Agree, as what happened was good because without British, Indians would not be able to speak good English !
I would not say good or bad. But the fact is that it happened that way, fate or chance, whatever one would like to call it. Had it not happened that way, it would have happened in some other way. Does it make any difference? Life goes on. Time does not stop.
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This Bahadur Shah was a proud descendant of brutal semi-civilized Muslims who invaded India to plunder, and stayed on to live of the loot, as parasites and leeches.
Don't brand a poor old man waiting for his death as a demon. He was what circumstances made him. His story is more tragic than any Shakesperian play - 'do gaz zamin bhi na mili ku-e-yaar mein'.
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Anyways because of this Indians also got a golden chance to learn English, then they scored good marks in TOEFL and finally were able to migrate to USA, the Brahmavrata. _/|\_
Excellent, mnsr.

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Old January 5th, 2017, 04:36 AM   #13

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That is impressive, good comparison. The Crusader Richard I would have admired a man such as Tipu Sultan... I dont know much about Sultan, but Sultan from one painting is depicted as a leader who fought in the front lines. Sultan's response to the French military advisers reminds me of the stance taken by Nathan Hale before being hanged by the British,




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Tipu Sultan fought against British but he also allied with the French. He was involved in widespread massacre of Hindus and Christians in South India destroying hundreds of temples along Malabar coast, he was more like Aurangzeb of South India.
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This post is like as if we get a cool breeze of fresh air in the Indian summer. Yes, all Muslims in India should be killed, there women should be raped and their kids should be sold to kiln-owners to make some good bricks.

That is exactly the sentiments British 'used' for their benefits. Sikh troops were instigated that this is the golden chance to fight against 'Mughals' and to revenge the atrocities committed by Muslim conquerors centuries ago. And there you go, Indians killed the Indians and British got the cake... Anyways because of this Indians also got a golden chance to learn English, then they scored good marks in TOEFL and finally were able to migrate to USA, the Brahmavrata. _/|\_
Are you referring to Bramhavarta ( not Brahmavrata ), a village on the banks of Ganga ( aka Ganges ) near Kanpur ( aka Cawnpore ), India where the last Peshwa, Bajirao II was asked to spend his life as an ex-ruler to be content with his pension sanctioned by East India Company ? Even , if so, what is the connection between that village and Indian youngsters going to USA for higher education, on merit ?
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This Bahadur Shah was a proud descendant of brutal semi-civilized Muslims who invaded India to plunder, and stayed on to live of the loot, as parasites and leeches. The legacy of the Mughal rule is Pakistan, the eternal enemy of India. Here in the picture, Indian President, a Sikh whose religion was founded to fight against the atrocities committed against Indians by such Muslim conquerors, pray at his grave. The picture is surreal and makes no sense.

Apparently the then PM of India, Manmohan Singh... felt enough respect to pay homage to Bahadur Shah II. In addition Bahadur Shah II was reportedly supported by both Muslims and Hindus who took up arms against the British. Of course not everyone in the world will have the same level of admiration or non admiration for Bahadur Shah II as well as the Mughal Empire. I'm Irish/Scottish...but I got nothing against the British...but some folks like to hold onto centuries old grudges some of which should probably not even be termed as a grudge.
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Tipu Sultan fought against British but he also allied with the French. He was involved in widespread massacre of Hindus and Christians in South India destroying hundreds of temples along Malabar coast, he was more like Aurangzeb of South India.
Sounds like Alexander the Great...a fighter.
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I simply do not have enough knowledge on the history of Hindus of India to make a detailed comparison. But from what I have seen of the Hindus of India...I see many similarities between the Hindus and Muslims both of which fought very hard, these were two tough as nails groups...I can respect this. I also respect the British even though the British have executed one of my heroes, Father John Murphy of Ireland. Father John Murphy fought the British around the same time that the Americans and Inhabitants of India fought the British.
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Even , if so, what is the connection between that village and Indian youngsters going to USA for higher education, on merit ?
that was just a sarcasm Sir, but anyways as Aupmanyav ji said making a demon or superhero out of this poor old man is way too much... 🙏
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In addition Bahadur Shah II was reportedly supported by both Muslims and Hindus who took up arms against the British.
I believe during the 1857 rebellion, the animosity between the Hindus and Muslims was at its lowest. Same way both Hindus and Muslims were supporting the Nana Sahib Peshwa for the lost Maratha Empire.

Though very unlikely, I was wondering what would be outcome if these rebels would have defeated the British. Even Nana Sahib accepted Bahadur Shah as the symbolic head of India, though his position was much stronger with generals like Tantya Tope and Rani Lakshmibai regarding him as Peshwa. I was wondering an India with Mughal Emperor as symbolic head and real powers in the hands of Peshwa with the title like Vakil-i-Mutlaq (Regent of the Empire). LOL looks like a unique combination of once mighty Mughal and Maratha Empires, but seems like the most likely outcome if these rebels would have succeeded.
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Yeah, that could have been the picture but with time things change quite unpredictably.
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