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Old January 10th, 2017, 09:00 PM   #21

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I'm going to pretend most of the first page of this thread never happened. If I have to revisit this thread again, some people will be taking very extended breaks.

That clear to all of you?
I thought this thread is pretty civil till now atleast
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Old January 10th, 2017, 10:47 PM   #22

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The mighty Indus as significant and cradle of human civilization as Nile is what sustains Pakistan today. The modern state is the latest iteration of long dance of history that began millenia's ago.
अभि त्वा सिन्धो शिशुमिन न मातरो वाश्रा अर्षन्तिपयसेव धेनवः l
राजेव युध्वा नयसि त्वमित सिचौ यदासामग्रं प्रवतामिनक्षसि ll
इमं मे गङगे यमुने सरस्वति शुतुद्रि स्तेमं सचता परुष्ण्या l
असिक्न्या मरुद्व्र्धे वितस्तयार्जीकीये श्रृणुह्यासुषोमया ll
तृर्ष्टामया प्रथमं यातवे सजूः ससर्त्वा रसयाश्वेत्या त्या l
तवं सिन्धो कुभया गोमतीं करुमुम्मेहत्न्वा सरथं याभिरीयसे ll RigVeda 10.75.4-5-6


abhi tvā sindho śiśumin na mātaro vāśrā arṣantipayaseva dhenavaḥ l
rājeva yudhvā nayasi tvamit sicau yadāsāmaghraṃ pravatāminakṣasi ll
imaṃ me ghaṅge yamune sarasvati śutudri stemaṃ sacatā paruṣṇyā l
asiknyā marudvṛdhe vitastayārjīkīye śṛṇuhyāsuṣomayā ll
tṛṣṭāmayā prathamaṃ yātave sajūḥ sasartvā rasayāśvetyā tyā l
tvaṃ sindho kubhayā gomatīṃ krumummehatnvā sarathaṃ yābhirīyase ll


Like mothers to their calves, like milch kine with their milk, so, Sindhu, unto thee the roaring rivers run.
Thou leadest as a warrior king thine army's wings what time thou comest in the van of these swift streams.
Favour ye this my laud, O Gangā, Yamunā, O Sutudri, Paruṣṇī and Sarasvatī:
With Asikni, Vitasta, O Marudvrdha, O Ārjīkīya with Susoma hear my call.
First with Trstama thou art eager to flow forth, with Rasā, and Susartu, and with Svetya here,
With Kubha; and with these, Sindhu and Mehatnu, thou seekest in thy course Krumu and Gomati.

Translation by Ralph Griffith at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10075.htm

Sutudri: Sutlej; Paruṣṇī: Ravi; Asikni: Chenab; Vitasta (Vyeth in Kashmiri): Jhelum; Marudvrdha: not known; Ārjīkīya: Haro(?); Susoma: another name for Indus; Trstama: Gilgit (?); Rasā: a tributary of Zhob; Susartu: not known; Svetya: Swat(?); Kubha: Kabul; Mehatnu: not known; Krumu: Kurram; Gomati: Gomal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigvedic_rivers#List

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Old January 11th, 2017, 02:08 AM   #23
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No. I frankly would question your sanity. Accepting the geographic reality of Indus and the weight of history this region confers does not in any way suggest what you say.

Frankly I am lost as to why you bring these states which are in India into the discussion. Eastern Afghanistan also falls within the Indus watershed. Your not suggesting integrating that region also?

And Indian Gujrat is not part of the Indus Basin. Only Indian Punjab is but then not every country can exist in perfect geographical unit. Some overlap is expected.

The need of the hour is accepting Indus region as the cradle of history that over time determined the birth of Pakistan. Not saying Islam is not also a factor - it is one in a whole mix of variables that creates the unique compound we call today Pakistan.

As Robert Kaplan's says -

“This entire middle region (Indus Region) — not quite the subcontinent, not quite Central Asia — was more than a frontier zone or a bold line on a map: It was a fluid cultural organism and the center of many civilizations in their own right.”

And which further moved along a separate identity when Islam arrived -

" more important with the advent of Islam in the subcontinent: “Pakistan is the very geographical and national embodiment of all the Muslim invasions that have swept down into India throughout its history.”
brother, whole of Eastern Punjab till Agra, Western Rajasthan and Gujarat were populated by people of IVC, we colonized those lands. even by ethnicity those people are very similar to Modern day Punjabis and Sindhis both Genetically and Culturally, their language is also very similar.

This is what Great Rahmat Ali and our Father wanted.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 02:18 AM   #24

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hows killing people for eating beef is for you ? are muslims in your country allowed to eat meat ? can they get their mosque back ? how's your sugar daddy Russia ? when will Indians stop shitting in Streets ? what about RSS goons and BJP terrorists modi who butured 1000s of Muslims ? and those swamis who wants to convert every Muslim to Hinduism ? hows gharwapsi is going ?
You are not at all clear as to what do you want to state. Do you want a reunion of India and Pakistan ? Do you want to claim East Punjab, Gujarat and west Rajasthan as parts of Pakistan ?
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You are not at all clear as to what do you want to state. Do you want a reunion of India and Pakistan ? Do you want to claim East Punjab, Gujarat and west Rajasthan as parts of Pakistan ?
yes, because Eastern Punjab (till agra) is part of Punjab and Western Rajasthan and Gujarat is Part of Sindh.

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and we dont want Whole Rajasthan and Gujarat, just western parts, because we have nothing in common with Rajasthanis and Gujratis.
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And if you don't stop with your continous referances to 'dirt' or 'baacha bazi' I am going to report you to the mods. I can throw far more than that at you and you know that as well. What do they say about people and glasshouses? I know full well the population profile of India and no doubt you do as well more than I.

So I ask you please drop it.
Brother, everything I said is 100% factually correct.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 04:35 AM   #27

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Brother, everything I said is 100% factually correct.
So, let me get this right. Your calling Pakistani's 'dirt' and 'bacha baazi' and you think this is factually correct?

And you call this civil discourse?
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अभि त्वा सिन्धो शिशुमिन न मातरो वाश्रा अर्षन्तिपयसेव धेनवः l
राजेव युध्वा नयसि त्वमित सिचौ यदासामग्रं प्रवतामिनक्षसि ll
इमं मे गङगे यमुने सरस्वति शुतुद्रि स्तेमं सचता परुष्ण्या l
असिक्न्या मरुद्व्र्धे वितस्तयार्जीकीये श्रृणुह्यासुषोमया ll
तृर्ष्टामया प्रथमं यातवे सजूः ससर्त्वा रसयाश्वेत्या त्या l
तवं सिन्धो कुभया गोमतीं करुमुम्मेहत्न्वा सरथं याभिरीयसे ll RigVeda 10.75.4-5-6




Like mothers to their calves, like milch kine with their milk, so, Sindhu, unto thee the roaring rivers run.
Thou leadest as a warrior king thine army's wings what time thou comest in the van of these swift streams.
Favour ye this my laud, O Gangā, Yamunā, O Sutudri, Paruṣṇī and Sarasvatī:
With Asikni, Vitasta, O Marudvrdha, O Ārjīkīya with Susoma hear my call.
First with Trstama thou art eager to flow forth, with Rasā, and Susartu, and with Svetya here,
With Kubha; and with these, Sindhu and Mehatnu, thou seekest in thy course Krumu and Gomati.

Translation by Ralph Griffith at Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN LXXV. The Rivers.

Sutudri: Sutlej; Paruṣṇī: Ravi; Asikni: Chenab; Vitasta (Vyeth in Kashmiri): Jhelum; Marudvrdha: not known; Ārjīkīya: Haro(?); Susoma: another name for Indus; Trstama: Gilgit (?); Rasā: a tributary of Zhob; Susartu: not known; Svetya: Swat(?); Kubha: Kabul; Mehatnu: not known; Krumu: Kurram; Gomati: Gomal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigvedic_rivers#List
Thanks for that extract from Wiki but I am lost as to the point your making?
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yes, because Eastern Punjab (till agra) is part of Punjab and Western Rajasthan and Gujarat is Part of Sindh.

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and we dont want Whole Rajasthan and Gujarat, just western parts, because we have nothing in common with Rajasthanis and Gujratis.
And what is proposed to do with the Hindu s there presuming we gift to Pakistan these provinces ? Slaughter them or convert them to Islam ?
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