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Old January 11th, 2017, 08:55 AM   #41
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Al-Bīrūnī, was a foreigner. Why should we expect him to say something good about India?
Those who have read Al Beruni know that he is very objective in most of his analysis and hardly shows much of a bias against India. This particular statement wasn't made in reference to Indians in general but societies in western regions of Punjab in particular.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 08:58 AM   #42
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I reiterate Indus is entirely distinct. It;s even visible on a satellite image.

I know. There are roughly three distinct regions in South Asia.

(1) Indus Region
(2) Ganges region
(3) Deccan or Peninsula India.

Most of (1) Indus falls within Pakistan. (2) Ganges and (3) Deccan falls in India. Indus basin is distinct and visibly so in the satellite image below. The Thar Desert effectively (marked desert) separates the Indus Valley from rest of India. Only in the far north is there a 'connect' in Punjab.


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Using maps reminds me of a previous member Pakeeza. In any case, contrary to your statements, the satellite image makes it even more clear that the whole subcontinent is one geographic entity bounded by mountain ranges and seas.

Division between Deccan and Ganges region is not visible at all. Thar desert looks miniscule to make any real separation between Indus region and the rest.

None of what you say make any sense because people in Pakistan called themselves Indians until 1947. Geography didn't change after 1947, only Pakistani mindset changed. Your use of "rest of India" in the underlined sentence implies that even you don't believe in what you stated.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #43

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Bingo. 'rest of India'.

I belong to that desert. It is not as forbidding as Atacama, Sahara, Namibia, Gobi, An-Nafud, Rab' Al-Khali, Dasht-e-Lut and Dasht-e-Kvir, Dasht-e-Margow or Dashte-e-Arbu Lut.

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Those feelings are exactly mutual across the border but multiplied by factor of 10. How is stating the obvious relevant to this thread?


I recited the Quran and others read the bible across the world both of which make referances to the holy land. Non of that gives me excusivity or others some claim on Israel/Palestine or Saudia Arabia. I can certainly see being told to buzz off by some Saudi immigration officer if somehow I use reciting the Quran as a basis of some exclusivity on Saudia Arabia.


Remind me to consult Indian when wanting referance on Pakistan and a Pakistani when wanting a referance on India. The results will be interesting to say the least.

And when American became independant from England, most Americans were 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation settlers from England, spoke English and had English culture ! Does that make America less?


That question lies in the domain of geography. Please open another thread in appropriate forum and we can take this further. I love geography would quite enjoy that. By the way Europe and Asia are also one, single landmass.



To all here, this entire thread has just turned into bare naked nationalism intended to further prejudices based on nothing more than bias, hate, media hype or plain simple propaganda, lacking any objectivity. I might have had a discussion with @msnr but there are simply too many trolls here so this is my last post here.

Have good day all.
Here is the Indo-Gangetic plains for you. The land had been inhabited by the people who spoke Sanskrit derived languages, practiced Hinduism and share a common culture.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 11:01 AM   #45
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brother, whole of Eastern Punjab till Agra, Western Rajasthan and Gujarat were populated by people of IVC, we colonized those lands. even by ethnicity those people are very similar to Modern day Punjabis and Sindhis both Genetically and Culturally, their language is also very similar.

This is what Great Rahmat Ali and our Father wanted.
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What is with this delusions of grandeur ? Are you really Pakistani or Indian pretending to be Pakistani ? I am confused because we have few supposedly Indian posters who are so stupid I believe they are really Pakistani trolling as Indian. Are you an Indian trolling? I am serious.
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What is with this delusions of grandeur ? Are you really Pakistani or Indian pretending to be Pakistani ? I am confused because we have few supposedly Indian posters who are so stupid I believe they are really Pakistani trolling as Indian. Are you an Indian trolling? I am serious.
So am I. Knock it off.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 04:16 AM   #47
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Those who have read Al Beruni know that he is very objective in most of his analysis and hardly shows much of a bias against India. This particular statement wasn't made in reference to Indians in general but societies in western regions of Punjab in particular.
AlBiruni shows bias against India but only in subjective things. Albiruni was one of greatest scholars of Islamic 'Golden Age' and yet said that his people were not even able to describe wells made by Hindus much less build them. Anyway, you are right , Xuanzang a Chinese scholar and who had expert knowledge of Sanskrit also said same about people of Western regions of subcontinent( modern day Pakistan).This is what he says

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Rajapura is Rajauri in modern times because

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Location of Rajauri today, just right on LOC.
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Textual tradition, archaeology and even evidences of scholars like Xuanzang and Albiruni all confirm that what is today Pakistan was backwater in Indian subcontinent which itself was not as advanced as Mediterranean and East Asian regions.

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I am an Indian who believes that our boundaries are quite ancient. With some exceptions, we were always distinct people, Indian Punjab had mixed Gangetic and Indus Cultures so that is in India, rest regions are not in India because they were described by Xuanzang already 14 centuries ago as 'frontier people'.
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I am an Indian who believes that our boundaries are quite ancient. With some exceptions, we were always distinct people, Indian Punjab had mixed Gangetic and Indus Cultures so that is in India, rest regions are not in India because they were described by Xuanzang already 14 centuries ago as 'frontier people'.
What is the meaning of mixed Indus and Gangetic culture. Entire Indo-Gangetic plains from Sindh to Assam has shared a common culture, origin and history. All of them still speak Indo-Aryan languages mainly Sanskrit-Prakrit derived languages, historically practiced Hinduism and referred as the people of Bharat aka India.
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brother, whole of Eastern Punjab till Agra, Western Rajasthan and Gujarat were populated by people of IVC, we colonized those lands. even by ethnicity those people are very similar to Modern day Punjabis and Sindhis both Genetically and Culturally, their language is also very similar.

This is what Great Rahmat Ali and our Father wanted.
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Whenever I see Pakistan fantasy of Choudhary Rehmat Ali, it always give a feeling that he lacked intellectualism. Even the more hilarious was that he was expecting to get all of it without any hurdles from Hindus.
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