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Old March 4th, 2017, 08:18 AM   #11
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Strictly on the basis of governmental organization, China outclassed japan all the way.

Japan was essentially just a bunch of warlords squabbling over territories- with an emperor who had no real power to stop them.

They were stuck in a 'warring states' period that china left behind with the first emperor.

From a Chinese perspective, the Japanese were tribal barbarians.
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Strictly on the basis of governmental organization, China outclassed japan all the way.

Japan was essentially just a bunch of warlords squabbling over territories- with an emperor who had no real power to stop them.

They were stuck in a 'warring states' period that china left behind with the first emperor.

From a Chinese perspective, the Japanese were tribal barbarians.
But Japan also had stable shogunate governments. It was not just squabbling warlords, in fact during the shogunates there were no large conflicts between the daimyo (of course, by the end of the Ashikaga rule, this was different with the start of Sengoku period). Edo period was a period of stability for Japan. China also had numerous wars after the falls of its dynasties. I agree that China was more advanced, but saying that Japan was just a bunch of warlords is unfair.
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Interesting. How were Japanese seen in the eyes of the Chinese? I know during Ming and Joseon, the Chinese had certain sympathy for the Koreans since they shared the Confucian traditions and were a tributary state. But what about the Chinese and the Japanese? Did they see them as barbarians?
I think Chinese saw Japanese as foreigners. This is clear from the the name Dongyang (東洋) (Eastern Overseas). Same names were used East Indies Nanyang (南洋) (Southern Overseas).

On the other hand Japanese saw Chinese as an extension of either Koreans called Kara (から) or extension of Yue called Morokoshi (もろこし).
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China, of course. Japan is a late bloomer.
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In general, I would say China. Especially from begginings to 1400 AD. Japan starts to pick up around 1600.
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