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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:11 PM   #111
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Originally Posted by drkwtr View Post
Because some of the subject matter is prohibited from being discussed on here, I can elaborate more on Anthrogenica with solid details.
Given the paucity of extant samples,I would be quite interested if you could elaborate on such matters.

From an anthropological view,craniofacial morphological characteristics of Northern Chinese populations shifted in the late neolithic/bronze age.

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There was a very specific route from Coastal China and the North China Plain through the Shandong and Liaodong peninsulas migrants came to reach the Korean peninsula and Japan, which has been widely accepted at least in Japan. This has yet to be more widely accepted in South Korea
Do you have more information on the archaeological cultures associated with proto Koreans/Japanese?

Is there any linguistic evidence that Koreanic/Japonic had an origin in coastal China/Liaoning?

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Old May 27th, 2017, 07:35 PM   #112

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Taiwan Island is also very near China. But the original indigenous people of Taiwan, as everybody knows it, were not Sinitic people. They were Austronesians.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #113
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Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
Annals of Joseon Dynasty the annual records of the Joseon Dynasty of Korea, which were kept from 1413 to 1865. The annals, or sillok, comprise 1,893 volumes and are thought to cover the longest continual period of a single dynasty in the world. With the exception of two sillok compiled during the colonial era, the Annals are the 151st national treasure of Korea and listed in UNESCO's Memory of the World registry.

The Annals are written in Classical Chinese; they were translated into modern Korean in the 1980s in North Korea and in 1994 in South Korea. Parts of the Annals of the Joseon Dynasty have been scanned by Seoul National University and are available online.

In year 1449, Mongols were under leadership of Daizong Khan(脫脫不花), but Esen (也先) held the true political power. When Esen fell Guang Ning Sheng (廣寧省) of Liaodong in 1449, he took mercy on Koreans (高麗) and Jurchens (女眞) living there, claiming that they were of the same origin as Mongols. As long as the Koreans & Jurchens follow the Mongol dress code and pigtail (辮髮) they were spared and let go. However, All Han Chinese in Guang Ning Sheng had their nose and ears cut off.

So who were the proto Mongol/Jurchen/Korean culture (that excludes Han Chinese) that shares the common root?

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Quote the original text, because my experience with you is that you get your sources from Korean nationalist revisionist websites, which are known to either erroneously translate, or out right fabricate, sources. Not to mention, a quote from the Annals of Joseon is not by any measure, politically unbiased, or should be considered a reliable replacement for known archaeological and anthropological facts about Mongol, Jurchen, and Korean origins - ie they're not the same. Although Esen would've had a reason to declare consanguinity with Joseon, since Goryeo was an inner vassal of the Mongol Empire, the original source still needs to be cited for your argument to even have a basis.

The definition has been changing over time, but you might call them 東夷.
Mongols were never called 東夷. 東夷 also never referred to one group of people.

Talk about agenda! China smells worse than any other country in that matter. You talk about truth. You talk about history based on fact. Historium should be a place where all 'facts' should be freely discussed without belittling comments and wild accusations from a MODERATOR. It seems to me you are the one with agenda here.
Considering your history of using nationalist sources, or just not citing them in the first place, I think the term "agenda" best applies to your own contributions, not anyone else's.

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Old September 15th, 2017, 05:48 AM   #114
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I think some koreans really look like the ancient Sinitic people of northern China
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Koreans originate from the conglomeration under Shilla and Koryo of the various groups on the Korean peninsula. What relations these groups might have had to each other is a whole separate issue.

The Mongols originated with Chinggis and company's unification of various tribes on the steppe. Jurchens originated from a branch of Manchurian Tungusic people (who themselves are generally understood to have originated in the Amur river region) heavily influenced by groups from the Central Plains, the steppe, and the Korean peninsula.

So no, the Koreans, Mongols, and Jurchens do not have the same origin.

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