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Old November 20th, 2017, 06:51 PM   #321

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Whoa! Really?


Is that so?


Now it's clear. No doubts about it. Your 'god-chosen' & 'godsent' ruling dynasty, over three generations of absolute no-questions-asked, challenge-and-be-chopped, rise-and-be-roasted, grovel-or-be-gunned-down rule has thoroughly, completely, totally, absolutely ... well ... conditioned you & the rest of your similar minded friends to think in only one way: a way endorsed & approved by the man in absolute power.
You are very good. I don't think you are being sarcastic here.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 07:19 PM   #322

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Nope. Not at all. I was just being very straightforward. Just calling a spade a spade.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #323
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Nope. Not at all. I was just being very straightforward. Just calling a spade a spade.
He obviously was jesting. Please notice the /s at the end of his post indicating "sarcasm".
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He was? Bugger it. I thought the '/s' part at the end was just some mistyped typo. Like when someone has got some unruly fingers when typing too fast. LOL

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Old November 20th, 2017, 11:45 PM   #325
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Many answers here seem very biased.

The mainstream view in academia is that Korea has never been a part of China. Parts of northern Korea have certainly been under Chinese control but I fail to see how that leads to the conclusion that Korea itself was a part of China.

Parts of northern India are under Chinese control. Does that mean that India itself is a part of China?

Parts of eastern Russia are under Chinese control. Does that mean that Russia itself is a part of China?
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Old November 21st, 2017, 03:07 AM   #326
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Kojosun probably extended all the way down to Seoul, so its not just North Korea. Furthermore, although the Han didn't directly control the Samhan in the southern tip of South Korea, San Guozhi volume 30 is pretty clear about the subordinate status of Mahan to the Lelang commandery:“汉时属乐浪郡,四时朝谒。” "During the Han, it was subordinate to the Lelan commandery and pays tribute every season". For Zhenghan during the time of Wang Mang, the king was just a marshal under the Xin: “王莽地皇时,廉斯鑡为辰韩右渠帅,闻乐浪土地美,人民饶乐,亡欲来降”. Han supervision of South Korea would then be comparable to Yuan, Ming, and Qing supervision of northern and outer Manchuria.
Yeah I'm by no means denying that the commanderies had strong sway over the South.

What's the evidence that Kojoson extended to Soul? There's no archaeological evidence of Kojoson at all that I'm aware of, and the written sources are very unclear.

How far south did the commanderies stretch based on archaeological evidence?
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Many answers here seem very biased.

The mainstream view in academia is that Korea has never been a part of China. Parts of northern Korea have certainly been under Chinese control but I fail to see how that leads to the conclusion that Korea itself was a part of China.

Parts of northern India are under Chinese control. Does that mean that India itself is a part of China?

Parts of eastern Russia are under Chinese control. Does that mean that Russia itself is a part of China?
Huh? Which part of Russia is under Chinese control?
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Huh? Which part of Russia is under Chinese control?
I meant "was", not "is".
During the Qing.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 04:34 PM   #329
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Many answers here seem very biased.

The mainstream view in academia is that Korea has never been a part of China. Parts of northern Korea have certainly been under Chinese control but I fail to see how that leads to the conclusion that Korea itself was a part of China.

Parts of northern India are under Chinese control. Does that mean that India itself is a part of China?

Parts of eastern Russia are under Chinese control. Does that mean that Russia itself is a part of China?
It's amusing how much historical controversy has been generated by Trump's off hand remark. As I stated earlier in this thread, I do not agree that historically, "Korea" was ever a part of "China." However, this is based on two assumptions:

1. Gojoseon isn't "Korea." Should Korean nationalists insist that Gojoseon = "Korea," then parallel logic dictates that the Han Dynasty = "China" and therefore, since Gojoseon was conquered by the Han, "Korea" was, in fact, part of "China" for more than 300 years.

2. A vassal, or special tributary, relationship isn't strong enough to constitute "part of." It is well-known that Joseon had such a relationship with both the Ming and the Qing, such that Japan fought a war against the Qing just to remove it. It is very possible that Xi was referring to this relationship, rather than events over 2,000 years ago, during his talk with Trump, which Trump then interpreted as Korea being a part of China.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 10:01 PM   #330

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not only Trump was confused about the history of Korea,but also the Korean people themselves.During the Korean war,after the united army took back of Seoul from the north Korea,someone erected a flag of ROC in the city.
No matter what,Korea is a country without anyother's rules,and becoming stronger and stronger,this is a fact and we should give it some respects.
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