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Old April 21st, 2017, 02:06 AM   #31
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Northern parts of the peninsula were under Chinese rule from 107 BC to 313 AD.
We need to clearly define what "rule" in Han times imply. Much of the Korean peninsula lacks bureaucratic administration even under the Han and the southern part of the peninsula lacks state structure. The actual area where there are Chinese colonies were probably limited, but if we are to include all tribes supervised by the 4 commanderies, Han rule did extend into the southern part of the peninsula as well. The Sanguozhi and Weishu clearly stated this:
《魏书东夷传》“汉时属乐浪郡,四时朝谒。”
Weishu, Dongyi:"(Mahan) was under the Lelang commandery during the Han, they present tribute every season."
《魏略》载:“王莽地皇时,廉斯鑡为辰韩右渠帅,闻乐浪土地美,人民饶乐,亡欲来降”
Weilue: "During the reign of Wang Mang, Lian Sichuo was made the marshal of the Zhenghan, he heard that Lelang had a great land and the people prosperous and wanted to submit."

Chapter 30 of the Sanguozhi again mentions an issue where the Lelang governor demanded that Zheng Han return 1000 Chinese who were kidnapped and when it turned out that 500 of them died, the county demanded them compensated or 10,000 soldiers will attack them. Zhenghan then gave 15,000 people and 15,000 pi of Mao Han silk.
县言郡,郡即以鑡为译,从苓中乘大船入辰韩,逆取户来。降伴辈尚得千人,其五百人已死。鑡时晓谓辰韩:‘汝 还五百人,若不者,乐浪当遣万兵乘船来击汝。’辰韩曰:‘五百人已死,我当出赎直耳。’乃出辰韩万五千人, 弁韩布万五千匹”

This shows that Mao Han was under Zheng Han and hence supervised by Lelang as well.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 02:30 AM   #32
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Xi Jinping did say that Korea used to be part of China.

[Xi] then went into the history of China and Korea. Not North Korea, Korea. And you know, you’re talking about thousands of years …and many wars. And Korea actually used to be a part of China.

https://qz.com/962409/donald-trump-a...part-of-china/
It was only speculated that he did by ethnic Korean historians, not proven, which is the whole point of this thread. I honestly doubt Xi even knows much about Han history and the conversation with Trump could go that much in depth. He probably said something along the lines of Korean ancestors came from China and maybe even raised the example of Kija and Trump reinterpreted along that lines.
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It was only speculated that he did by ethnic Korean historians, not proven, which is the whole point of this thread.
Really? From what I've seen, the Koreans were saying that it was Trump.
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Lelang commandery is not entire Korea.

If that logic were to be used, then you could also say that China was a part of Korea.
I said they were half correct, right?
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Old April 21st, 2017, 06:45 AM   #35
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Really? From what I've seen, the Koreans were saying that it was Trump.
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Its possible that Xi said something like this, as such a story has been part of the nationalist history project under the Chinese Communist Party for a couple of decades, added Hwang.
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Does Xi speak good English, or were they communicating through a translator?
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Donald Trump is not an acceptable source for Chinese/Korean history and relationships. Don't bring him into the discussion again.
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Maybe China can take over the northern half of the Korean Peninsula? That would solve a lot of contemporary problems.
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Donald Trump is not an acceptable source for Chinese/Korean history and relationships. Don't bring him into the discussion again.
Just trying to explain that it wasn't Xi. This thread started with a China vs Korea intent.

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Maybe China can take over the northern half of the Korean Peninsula? That would solve a lot of contemporary problems.
Nah. History has proven that war isn't easy and it doesn't stop easily. Yeah, Desert Storm made it seem easy, but I think it's unfortunate that people still expect every war by the superpowers to be like that.

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Vagamundo. A number of folks have suggested that if the PRC were to replace the current government of the DPRK, things would be better. Perhaps.

The PRC has by its support of the DPRK in the past come to realize it is now stuck to the "tar baby". In more recent times, the PRC has tried to put as much distance as possible with the DPRK. In public they stand "solidly" behind the DPRK, but privately are fed-up with the shenanigans of the Kim Dynasty. As a consequence the influence that Peking has on Pyongyang is softened. The regional instability that DPRK incursions, provocations, and threats can potentially destroy the goal of transforming the PRC into a super economy and leader of East Asian affairs. As long as the public version is as a "loyal ally", it just wouldn't do to be seen actively overthrowing the Kim Dynasty.

PRC military actions into DPRK territory carries big risks. The UN/US and the ROK might well become involved risking a larger and more devastating war. The PRC probably has no more chance of enlisting an internal coup than the US would have. Even if the current regime was ousted, the costs of occupying and administering the the Northern half of the Peninsula, would likely break the Chinese economy. I believe "Hey Louis" when he protests that China has very little influence over the Koreans. However little that might be, it is of course more than the US has short of a credible threat to renew the Korean War.

There are no programs nor outcomes for dealing with the DPRK that will not sorely hurt countless individuals and shake East Asia to the core. None.
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