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Old April 20th, 2017, 10:25 AM   #1
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Was "Korea" Historically Ever a Part of "China"?


This topic has come up in the news recently, due mostly to an outcry over US President Donald Trump repeating a statement given to him by Chinese President Xi Jinping:

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“He then went into the history of China and Korea. Not North Korea, Korea. And you know, you’re talking about thousands of years . . . and many wars. And Korea actually used to be a part of China. And after listening for 10 minutes, I realized that it’s not so easy.” - Donald Trump, describing a discussion he had with Chinese President Xi Jinping
The statement has been met with vehement opposition by South Korea:

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“It’s a clear fact acknowledged by the international community that, for thousands of years in history, Korea has never been part of China,” - South Korean Foreign Ministry Spokesman Cho June-hyuck

"It’s possible that Xi said something like this, as such a story has been part of the nationalist history project under the Chinese Communist Party for a couple of decades," - Kyung Moon Hwang, University Professor
The roots of this historical controversy likely comes from the identification of historical states in East Asia with either "China" or "Korea"; such that these ancient states then become proxies for the past actions of the contemporary Chinese and Korean nations.

But for the sake of argument, how should historians respond to such a statement?
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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #2
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Northern parts of the peninsula were under Chinese rule from 107 BC to 313 AD.

Again western parts of the peninsula were under Chinese rule from 668-676.

Then Korea was under the Sino-Mongol Yuan rule from 1270-1356, with varying degrees of actual control. The northern regions were actually incorporated into the Yuan.

I believe there was a brief period in the late 19th century where Korea was effectively under Chinese rule.

Other than these and the Japanese occupation from 1910-1945, Korea has never really been under foreign rule, which is pretty remarkable. Even then some of these instances were only regional.

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Could have been worse. He could have said it was once part of Japan, which is true.
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A historians response would be to "wish to remind the world that China was once conquered by Mongols. Korean-Mongol brotherhood is everlasting. The Chinese should learn some history."
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A historians response would be to "wish to remind the world that China was once conquered by Mongols. Korean-Mongol brotherhood is everlasting. The Chinese should learn some history."
How is this relevant other than for you to indicate you got triggered?
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I don't remember a Korean-Mongol brotherhood. Instead I remember seven devastating invasions.
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Could have been worse. He could have said it was once part of Japan, which is true.
It still could be a whole lot worse.
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i found no basement to say xi said korea was part of china. the medias again are adding words. they made quite a story about the US carrier recently (though a false story)
talking about history, vast part of (northern) korea had been under Han control, there is no problem with that kind of statement.

(btw, a controversy exists, that to how much degree the people lived in northern part of korea in the Han era were related with modern koreans. this, is off topic, but i personally think the relationship is quite weak)

if the question of the thread is that do we have to find a basement for every statement trump has made on history?
i don' think so. in case trump had little idea about thousands of years of eastern asian history, i doubt he can accurately understand what had happened within 10 min. this, necessity of time payment on history study, is not at trump specific problem. but he really should take care what he would say in public, that is about his personal reputation and the reputation of US for the next several years.

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Apart from the Japanese occupation, Korea as a country has never really been part of a different country.

Historians would respond to Xi Jinping, not to Donald Trump since he is merely repeating what he has heard.

"Please educate yourself"
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Apart from the Japanese occupation, Korea as a country has never really been part of a different country.

Historians would respond to Xi Jinping, not to Donald Trump since he is merely repeating what he has heard.

"Please educate yourself"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lelang_Commandery

They are half correct, and maybe for a couple centuries.
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